Too much vst , vsti, etc. Dont limit creative ?

Discussion in 'Mixing and Mastering' started by ryck, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. CharlieCrizzle

    CharlieCrizzle Kapellmeister

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    ill get new synths and fuck around for a bit, but i almost always fall back on a handful that im comfortable with. 9/10 im fully engaged creatively in serum. im psyched to try out phaseplant though and i could see myself spending a lot of time in it


    I have a new laptop coming in and i decided that i am going to delete the majority of the plug ins that i have . For one i never use most of them, but i just feel like i have wasted a lot of time fucking around when i could have been really learning a synth inside and out and unlocking the real potential. I will say though that i am a sucker for creative effect plugins and love having a big bag to pull from for special occasions. Im all about trying to get weird
     
  2. ryck

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    When you put a " suite vocal mastering " " automastering" etc. You dont create nothing. The sofware do it for you.
    Sometime u have a idea and you put this tool and this change you original idea ,but you like how listen this, cause give you colors , armonic , etc. But you dont create ..
    I dont say this tools is bad...is very good tools. I say sometimes we take " the easy way " and we let creative.
    I know much peole compising across the sounds and not across the mind. Cause they have all here...loops of bass , guitars, bass...but is exatly that you want ?
    I remeber a friend stared whit a song . He play the guitar and sing. And he say..i put this guitar from native instrument ( loops). And i say him ...the sound its great!! But not is the first idea that u do it. All change now...chords...ritmic ..melody..now the software change your song
     
  3. No Avenger

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    And here's the core of the problem, I think.
    People often don't take it as a proposal and don't make any adjustment, let alone enough.
     
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  4. johnw

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    Best music I made ?
    On my Korg M3 .
    No vst , no computer , no waiting to load time ... Everything is there ... One push away ...
    :rofl::rofl:

    Vst only helps to enrich to music I made ...
     
  5. Rogelio

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    Too Much books, does it limit reading
    Too much music, does it limit listening?

    It's up to everybody, most pros (electronic music) only have Sonnox , UAD that come with the apollo, waves, fabfilter, sylenth, serum, massive and spire.

    Just go with what you like and learn to use that. (One synth for bass sounds, other for leads, etc)
     
  6. ryck

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    Well , Well but I would like.
    books for you to read and interpret for you,does it limit reading?
     
  7. CharlieCrizzle

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    there are 2 completely different discussions going on here. large amounts of plug ins and fucking robots who make music for you...
     
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  8. dtmd

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    Fuck limits. Give me limitless.
     
  9. Sinus Well

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    Absolutely correct. If you have dealt with the algorithm and you know how the AI works and what result you have to expect or the result is exactly your intended goal, then you don't need to change that. Of course, very few do that because they are just lazy. Throw the plugin xy on it, hmm, sounds interesting, can stay like this and continue to the next ...
     
  10. ryck

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    Just i said

    What do you think about this

    today we have, intelligent vst, eq, compressor, limiter. Like izotope necta and ozone 9. This do it all for you.
    And others vst can create for you chords, ritmics...etc


    I know this makes work easier but on the other hand does not limit the creative ?
     
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    Presumably because the thread title and the related post cover two completely different topics :rofl:
     
  12. CharlieCrizzle

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    I mean chord vsts and smart plug ins are only going to take you so far. But what about using samples? isnt that kinda cheating too?
     
  13. ryck

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    Yhea i think that . And i do it the same old times. When i stop and see ..whats happeng in a compressor...limiters, etc. So for that i think we have so much but dont learn. Is much easy put auto eq auto gain auto all...that you do ii...and i think this change your song and limits creative
     
  14. Lois Lane

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    Maybe I'm full of baloney, but when actually writing a song with a melody and/or lyrics from your soul, plugins and vsti's won't write them for you. Using AI is counter logical to self creation.
     
  15. tzzsmk

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    to be honest I see all this stuff as showoff by desperate developers - most of that really isn't that useful, in the long run most people settle down on few tools, usually tools with enough control - which those fancy auto- and one-knob- shizz aren't,
    guess why Fabfilter offers only 11 plugins (excluding instruments) - it's enough to do literally anything if person is skilled, and with presets the workflow is really fast, no need for 100 mediocre emulations of supposedly-superior analog gear
     
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  16. taskforce

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    I understand what you are saying.
    But ask any skilled samplist and they 'll tell you that, in the end it is never about the sample, it is about what you do with it. People who rely on samples to make music, will always try and find a way to give their own sonic "identity" to those sounds, thus turning those -otherwise- indifferent samples to interesting sounds. Really good remixers will find a way to give a track a new character and why not, take it to another genre as well. Smart engineers will not only mix your tracks but -given enough freedom- they will propose anything from a chord substitution to a second chorus etc etc. A good mastering engineer will now master your tracks in stems instead of a stereo file.
    So what i am saying is, there is enough skill and creativity in the world. You can learn to "own" and manipulate your sounds or be a copycat or even worse a bland square repeater of sounds. What you do with your talent(s) if there are any and what you do with your tools, is your choice alone. You can choose to use them creatively or use them like a product line assembly employee who spends a whole working day repeating the same bland movement.
    Cheers :)
     
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  17. xoso

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    A: most of your examples are laziness. They are programs made for people who have no interest in learning the science behind anything and give the ignorant the best they can even though far from standard.

    B: Oh I'm playing a D power chord I would like to make it a minor 7th or hear what chords fit the piece the best. Yeah learn your chords, but this type of thing should be reference. Build a whole song off of it, it's not your song.

    C: Not sure you understand VST's there are Instrument VST's and there are Effect VST's they are both vst plug ins but have very little to do with each other besides using them in tandom.

    If it limits your creativity it's because you ARENT being creative you're making something else do it all for you. Need a reference, and idea to go off of? That's different that's taking inspiration from something then taking the lessons learned from it and making it your own. So if you feel it kills creativity then you're not a musician, writer, producer, composer or anything. Just someone with a program faking it.
     
  18. Xupito

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    I was gonna give my opinion but this topic is such a mess already nothing can save it...
    Laziness wins... :chilling:
     
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  19. ryck

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    Exactly . This is the point when i say " too much " . I agree whit u
     
  20. electriclash

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    write the songs you hear, no plugin will do that
     
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