Adding characteristics of a human voice to an instrument?

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  1. Remi

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    This might well be a stupid question, or a difficult task or one of those "Really? You don't know how to do that?" magnet. I just don't know. Here is what I have been trying to do.

    I am trying to merge an instrumental loop - a didgeridoo loop specifically - with a vocal line to create a singing or talking didgeridoo, effectively. I have tried to play with formants to get the vocal line and the didge loop as closely aligned as possible and using different "morphs" to mix the two. Sounds crap, because I am not getting the vocals to inherit that Didgeriddo vibrating quality. I can play with the vibrato on the vocals, but that's a totally different effect. Note that I timed my vocals so they matched the Didge sequence. I tried with flat spoken vocals and the same timed vocal line sung instead, pitch corrected to match the Didge sequence inasmuch as it is possible with a Didgeridoo sound. Stlll not working cos' I'm missing the main point: to make that Didge speak or sing my vocal line while retaining most of that Didgeridoo vibe.

    I also put the Didge through several vowel filters. I am getting some interesting results, but that's without using my vocals at all. So not a bad effect, but not what I want ideally.

    So I have done a fair amount of work, but most of it wasted, really, because I just don't have a clear picture of the method I should use, if indeed there is a way to do it (there usually is so I remain semi-hopeful).

    Is there a way to do what I want and if so, how do I approach it, please? If you can point me in a particular direction, that would help me avoid the blind alleys I have been visiting over the last two days.

    Thank you for your comments and suggestions.

    All the best

    r
     
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  3. rudolph

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  4. Remi

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    IFinally got the routing to work. Not obvious.

    It's a really nice plugin and yields interesting sounds. I need to play some more but I'm getting quite a muffled sound that is't right. I'll play with the various algorithms and mix levels.

    Meantime, if anyone has other possible approaches to suggest, please let me know.
     
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    Try DTBLKFX. It can
    • Vocode &
    • Morph (crossmix, warpmix)
    & it's FREE!
     
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  8. Philman

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    There is an inexpensive piece of software designed specifically to do this and it works great. It's called imitone. With it you can play any instrument with your voice. You can get it here: http://imitone.com/
     
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  9. Remi

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    Thanks a lot. Looking them up now.
     
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    Hi Phillip,

    This looks fun but it's not going to what I want. It's audio to MIDI, which can be done in Melodyne if you're not looking for real time. The MIDI then drives any instrument you want. So in theory, what I could do is sing, generate monotone MIDI on the fly and get a Didgeridoo sound output. What I won't get is vocals that are still vocals but with the formants/tonality and characteristics of a Didgeridoo sound. Add to that the fact that the Didgeridoo has a lot of possible articulations and syncopation types that are extremely difficult to capture or reproduce using a VST instrument.That's why I am using audio clips, albeit self-recorded. I am looking for one audio clip to take on the sonic characteritis of another while retaining its pitch and intonation

    But this could be a useful tool is other circumstances. I'll try to find out if they're likely to come out of beta.

    Thanks for heads up.
     
  11. Remi

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    That's one manual I'll need to read but this looks really interesting.
     
  12. Remi

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    Thta's it. I struggled first with the routing and with the settings, but I have found a decent compromise using Morph. Thanks a lot.
     
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    look for a resonance filter like for ex kilohearts formant filter
     
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    vocorder, breath control.
     
  15. Remi

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    Never used that. I'll have a look. Thanks a lot.
     
  16. Remi

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    Thank you but I definitely don't want a vocoder effect. Not sure what you mean about breath control: in a vocoder context?
     
  17. Remi

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    I has a listen. It's a nice clean formant filter but like the formant stuff I mention in my initial post, it does nothing towards acquiring the an actual vocal line (like speech or singing). But this vowel filter does a nice job and I'm thinking it would be nice to add a touch of it after I have morphed the Didge and the vocal clip.
     
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    The vocorder will sound just like the digeridoo if you want it. Then you can put other track behind it if you don't want any gaps. Breath controllers or EWI's add expression to a synth.
     
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    Vocoder is subtractive resynthesis, so it will always sound worse than additive/spectral plugins.

    Anyway, what you ask is impossible - didgeridoo and human voice are different timbres; in the best case you can create some kind of hybrid. Still, you are on the mercy of algorithms and your own tweaking. If you were some kind of math genius, you could probably make a better version of such morph with custom dsp script that would have served just for this.
    I don't think that there is any commercial additive synthesis vst with enough fine tuning controls for such accurate task like morphing perfectly such sounds.
     
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    So like a tube for a talkbox effect or an external MII controller for wind instruments? I don't have that but I would love to play with it f or sure.
     
  21. Remi

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    Yes, it is a compromise, but I am getting some really good results with Zynaptiq Morph. By definition, you will not get one sound with the full tibral quality of the other while retaining it own clarity, but you can getreally interesting results I have not been able to achieve otherwise.
     
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