Hey y'all, I wondered if anybody in here could tell me what effect they use for their hihats in this song. Or maybe it isn't an effect, but panning automation, I don't know, you guys tell me...

The hihat section begins at 1.15 mins *yes*

http://soundcloud.com/watapachi/jason-burns-back-2-you

Thanks in advance...

 

If I would try to make something close right now, I would definitely try to pan original hat right for example than make mono send bus and pan it left, put Echoboy on it and play with groove&feel and of course actual settings on it, that way I would have original on right and effected on left.

Maybe I didn't understood the question right, so look at Soundtoys Crystallizer& PanMan, they are nice toys

 

you understood the question correctly, I just want to know what it is and how it's done.
it's seems that every hihat hit is either panned left or right, but in trap those hihats are so fast and automating them all would be such a pain in the ass that i figured they must use some kind of panning or spreader plug or whatever, also it seems they're panned rhytmically, the panning creates a sort of groove of it's own too if you listen closely.

More help/suggestions are always welcome *yes*

 

With Ableton Live you have an Autopan plugin and with Ableton Live version 9 you have Max 4 Live tools called control devices where you can control parameters of a plugin automatically.

 

I personally abuse PanMan, but on other hand don't use much tools, I hope someone will pop in with something more useful, I'm just guessing in manner what would I do, most of the times I'm wrong, but hey

 

Retriggering (sextiplets, etc).
One hihat panned right, another panned left. Individual midi data to both.
Absolutely no VST effect included.

 

@ Amsterdam Pirate,

Here you have my 'suggestion' and in picture !


I done this very quickly and within 'FL Studio Producer' (the only DAW that I had on hand !), however you can do exactly and easily the same thing with any other DAW... *yes*


Firstly, import (load) any of your desired 'HiHat' loop (preferably in Mono, but not mandatory) in your DAW. You must to import it twice as you'll use 2 channels (tracks) for this example.
Load it on a channel (track) that you'll pan 'hard left' for that example and for better hearing the stereo image separation between both.
Load the same 'HiHat' Loop on another channel (track) that you'll pan 'hard right' this time (for the same reason as previously said).

Now you can set the desired one to start in its regular position (the start of a mesure/pattern), and simply 'shifting' more or less the second one by some 'ms' (or more if needed and/or desired) according to the tempo, the rhythm signature, and other parameters proper to the loop itself (its included elements)...



It should look more of less like that within the 'Arranger View' of your used DAW :




Loaded (imported) on Channel/Track 1 and panned 'Hard Left'. You can see that the loop starts at the first position of the Pattern ('Piano Roll').




Loaded (imported) on Channel/Track 2 and panned 'Hard Right'. This time the loop is 'slightly' shifted to another start position within the Pattern. By simply moving that starting point, either backward or forward according to the various parameters stated earlier (tempo, rhythm signature,... ), you can get interesting and more or less subtle rhythmic variations between these 2 loops... and this using exactly the same loop, therefore the exactly same sound(s)!



This is done without any added FXs, so you can easily guess that by processing that configuration with your 'beloved' FXs, you can get almost endless possibilities and variations...

Some examples could be :

- Cross-Delay, for balancing the 'L' & 'R' channels (tracks) without using 'Automations' (as it seems that you don't like to spend too much time with that fine settings !).

- Using the Feedback of a Delay, to re-inject that feedback in a 'crossing' perspective, where the 'L' channel feedback is re-injected to the 'R' channel of that Delay, and vice-versa...

- among others ideas ! *yes*



@ Xsze,

Not sure that the above suggestion is (or could be) what you're exactly looking for... but maybe it could give you some ideas to explore... Here is the main Key : 'Explore and Try' ! *yes*



Hope it help !

 

Thanks Studio 555, I guess I had something like that in my mind in first post, just I was panning effected result on other side, applying all that shifting on Echoboy via bus, maybe lazy approach *yes* but for sure I can go nuts this way, thanks again

Also this ITL is quite nice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4gPKeM7bqQ&feature=player_embedded

 

Thanks for the great visual explanation, really helped me out. I couldn't ask for more.


Xsze, big thanks for those in the lair's..

 

Yes PanMan is what you would be looking to use in this case. It's also not such a big deal to automate it manually. Can't you just use some kind of low-frequency periodic waveform synced to tempo to control the automation?...LFO hint hint.

 

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