Experience with a fanless computer?

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  1. Lois Lane

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    I was tearing my hair out over overall problems concerning everything usb until I ditched a usb extension cable connecting my card to the computer which I had put in an Ikea wardrobe to lessen the ambient room noise. I ditched the extension and moved the card close enough that I no longer needed it and now everything including my wireless keyboard and mouse no longer have dropouts and all is once again hunky dorry. Duhhhhhh.
     
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    what their really out there ..:woot:
     
  3. Paul Pi

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    I got totally OCD about noise suppression on my last build, but it's impossible if you're overclocking and/or using a more powerful gpu for visual editing etc. However i did manage to find a fanless 600W PSU which works both flawlessly AND noiselessly. Somewhat pricey, but for an obsessive in full fever, thoroughly essential... :yes:
    https://seasonic.com/prime-titanium-fanless
     
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    Nice one,it must be perfect,but 217€ ...

    And which is your passive cpu cooler,please?
     
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    Don'tyou have some problems with Latency?I read many times that you shouldn't use long cables for your sound card because problems of latencies.
     
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    Yes, we're using a passively cooled, near silent DAW.
    Watercooled with oversized pump running at low RPM and large passive radiators.
    Overdimensioned PSU with low RPM fan.
    Motherboard with large passive heatsinks on VRMs.
    Relatively cool RAM modules using Samsung B-die.
    No graphics card, multiple monitors all using CPU integrated graphics.
    This system enables us to run an otherwise hot overclocked Intel CPU without breaking a sweat at large projects :)
     
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    hmm haven't noticed anything strange, will check again some day eventually,
    using RME interfaces which offer solid low latency already
     
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    Yeah, by some margin the most i ever paid for a PSU... really is an awesome piece of precision engineering. When it was delivered at first i was handling it like it was a quinlong vase...

    I'm running an intel 7820x @ 4.5GHz - the 7820x has a fairly high 140W TDP, which makes any passive cooling option nigh impossible, unless perhaps installed inside a freezer... in the end i settled for a quality air-cooled solution instead: a Noctua NH-D15, which is splendid too - now, unless i'm purposely stress-testing, i generally hardly hear anything whatsoever from my trusty stealth rig - other than my own sweet effusions of course... :grooves:
     
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    fanless = dirtless = less cleaning ... i guess
    :rofl:
     
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    hm offtopic alert:
    I upvote things each day here, what if upvopted people would get money for this ?
    How? -> Steemit?!
     
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    hhm what?
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    you found new revenue for us thats great hooshiwooshi...i call the m-boys immediately :rofl:
     
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    Just want to say it all depends on the fans, i got a 'Noctua NH-u14s' cpu fan and a bunch of other noctua fans (dont remember the model) inside and its completely silent
     
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    Man, you want absolute silent, peace of mind, and forget you have a mini supercomputer next to you (take any system before the pentium, dx100, your current computer will be millions time faster !) ? I will tell you.

    But before, 2 things to take into account:
    1-any hybrid daw/gaming system will be 100 times harder to make it silent, as most powerful graphic cards, even if noise has been improved compared to ,say, 10 years ago, they remain huge heat/noise machines
    2- silent is the new monitor. What this even means ? 15-25 years ago, when computer parts were super expensive, people would pick their best parts with the money they had. .. and at the end, they only had a few hundred bucks to spend on the monitor..and would choose a super crappy one. Today, people will first focus on power, ergonomics, look, and when is about silence, they don't have the extra $€£¥ to buy those parts that make less noise.

    So, enough teasing?

    Here what i have, for one of my main setups:

    1- Antec P280 Case--> it is so fantastic and well built, it comes with 3 12cm fans, 2 top and 1 front. They are perfect, i doubt there is something more quiet. They have a little switch, to select 3 speeds. I put them on ULTRA LOW, like under 700rpm, the only noise they do, is the air blowing, like we would do with our mouth. You WON'T need extra fans, my hardware barely reaches 32°c (89.6F)
    The chassis is great, lots of space. You can even go further, and get a 'noise' kit, with some foam panels, to use on the big side panels, back, that costs like 35 bucks... but when the p280 is full open, we can't here any noise, let alone when it is closed. ..
    Only problem : the case only has 2 usb2 and 2 usb3 ports, near the power button. Hey, your motherboard will have all USB ports, and you can still buy a pcie card, with usb3.1 stuff.

    Forget about other brands or models. This p280 WAS BUILT for almost 0 noise. With the foam kit, i guess it becomes simply 100% silent.

    2- cpu. Some cpus have a graphic chip built in the silicon . Others don't. With such cpu, you don't need an extra graphic card, as it will easily handle ONE 4k display, and probably 2 monitors at 2560*1440. No additional graphic card= no extra heat or NOISE. The embedded graphic chip will have ALL the power to display your beautiful plugin GUIs, no worries

    3- cpu fan. Noctua will be your best friend. Keep in mind, we're no longer in 2000s, today's cpus have low tdp's, under 70watts. Only the very big guys/extreme might reach the 130watt tdp. Most cpus will barely reach the 70-80watts, so... no need for a 18kg heatsink. A nice 50-70 $€ noctua, with low rpm, will be more than enough: hey, if the 'crappy' cheap stock heatsinks already are ok (excepting the noise ), a cheap noctua will always be several times better. No need for crazy watercooling. It won't be better than the noctua heatsink !

    4- power supply. Here, no other choice. You need to go fanless. Even if a power supply, with a 14cm fan and auto stop/start fan (if heat stays under a certain threshold, the fan won't spin ), will generate very little noise, the best will be fanless. There aren't many options, they will cost like 200 bucks, and can only deliver like 450-600w.... with several hard drives and a big +300watt gaming graphic card, it might be to little.. but hey, this is a silent daw system, not a hybrid daw/gaming, so..). One + point, all these fanless power supply are often certified platinum.. which means a yield of , if i remember well, +96%

    'pro' tip (I'm no pro at all, but it sounds cool ;) --> never use 'neon' lighting on the same circuit as your daw or audio equipment : those lights create a ton of induction on the electrical circuit (unless having capacitors system to compensate, as the old parkings, 1 capacitive neon for 2 inductif neons ). Induction will mean parasites... which will mean noise.


    Regarding the antec p280, many will say 'ohhh, that's many years old. .. today, there are other fractals.. bequiets .... much better.
    Believe me. THERE IS ANYTHING like the P280. Not a surprise why is still being made and sold. With the extra foam kit, like this german website
    https://www.caseking.de/king-mod-service-premium-daemmset-antec-performance-p280-zudm-150.html

    you will get near PERFECT silence.
    Let me tell you, i know what noise is... graphic cards, cpus, bad cases.. you can barely hear yourself talking... when you can have fun working/ hobby with music, and you have perfect silence. .. it's priceless !
    Or rather... it is worth the extra cash for a fanless power supply, a good case and a good cpu heat sink


    I hope this helps someone. ..

    Have fun... and keep those noise levels under 80db ;)
     
  16. Blue

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    Thanks,but I'm certainly not the guy who likes neons-everywhere-pc!

    My main noise comes from my cpu cooler,so I am going to look at them.But I don't know if I will find some passive heatsink,because my cpu is a LGA1151 TDP65W,and I'haven't found yet anything passive for that purpose...

    Thanks for your link,it may be usefull.
     
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    Only now i noticed your location. Unless you are an expat., you speak french..

    Je parlais d'éclairage avec des tubes en néon, pas l'éclairage tuning des pcs. Tu sais, les gros tubes néon de 60cm...90...120cm

    Et puis je parlais d'alimentation sans ventilo, pas de radiateur cpu... je parlais de ceci https://seasonic.com/prime-titanium-fanless#

    voilà voilà :)
     
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    The fans of modern GCards turn off in idle, so they only kick in when you game or render things.
     
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    My computer has a fan, and it is not me.
     
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