indeed.. , Elton John did mountains of coke and oceans of booze ..
but he never seemed to have a problem playing the piano

 

The problem with the topic is the definition of good music

 

QFT (quote for truth)

also, i made my best music afterturning 30. no doubt about that! i mean, i would know, im my owne worst critic. ring a bell ?
its like a good redwine bro, it takes time for the wine to mature and gather all its flavours to "just be right"

Sounds to me you have lost your WILL

Only You can find that again withinn.
Its not the distination, its the journey that matters

*harsh mode on *
Only loosers quit/give up
winners keep going HAM
*harsh mode off*

One way to get out of the woods for you could be :
Define a new goal for yourself.
you have to be brutaly honest withyourself here.

new goal, not your old jaded goal that never manifested in reality but keept beeing like a elusive dream that you cant catch/get backto.

if there is no goal, how can you even aim and shot at the goal? then its nothing but trouble and posible fustrations ahead.

you reap what you sow

 

It could be true if we were not talking about music. All musicians take a pause, you can't keep "hailing" forever, it's impossible or you 'll become an adrenaline junkie with everything that comes with it.
Personally i 've produced, performed and programmed for other people's records for decades. The few clients i 've had to give up on were easily aiming so low with their (non existent) budget that even a young producer with a laptop and a pair of KRKs could be expensive for them, not a full fledged studio facility. And obviously it is not just me. I can bring a ton of reasons why and how you may stop working with a client or collaborator etc. But as in all aspects of life, people disagree man. Not everything is black and white unless you impose such a "rule" yourself. In this biz even the very best can't please everyone, that is everyone in normal mental condition, i won't even bother discussing the various type of "strays" and weirdos lol. You can try to maintain an 80-90% satisfied clientele, that is a healthy business model.
Anyway in art there are no losers, all artists are winners because they get to do what they love. Even if it's not the very best you ever encountered.
Cheers
PS: Tell me how you wouldn't give up:
1. The guy who wanted to combine minimal techno with jazz.
Quote: While there is techno jazz, this is fail from the getgo. Jazz is anything but minimal. Pass.
2. The guy who wanted his song to flow like melting chocolate, smell autumn leaves and ooze class but when you play the song, it's a typical epic metal track.
Quote: No comment. Always remember it fondly, brings a smile to my face lol. Pass.
3. The girl who wants to sound like Celine Dion but can sing in 1.3 octave range and badly.
Quote: Most underaged teenagers want to consume tons of alcohol but eventually the vast majority gets drunk after a very short while. Not all can handle booze. Pass.
4. The guy who has a Pro Tools studio at home but comes to you because he can't produce even a decent mix, and when you start mixing his track he constantly goes on about what you could do if you had PT hardware and PT powered plugs installed but what a shame, you don't.
Quote: Fuck off politely. Pass. And Shift+Delete the folder with his track(s).
I can continue for ages and trust me i remember every awkward situation even 30 yrs ago.

 

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@taskforce

i really appreciate your sharing your experience and your wisdom. totaly get you what your saying. dont think i've ever really sat down and thought about it that way. So thanks for bringing it downtoearth.

i was looking at it more on a "personal" or "artistic" level, where you have to look yourself in the mirror, and question yourself if you "am i really that bad? a looser? and should give up on music" another way to word the same thing is (to me atleast) : "do I give up onmyself" - because thats what one is really doing, if "you" turn your back to the music

reading about those client reactions you've come across,really hits me in the balls ;( sorry to hear you've had such bad experiences

 

OMG lol.

Look at the bright side. After years have passed we can laugh about this unpleasant experiences.

(well, I'm taking for granted @taskforce blessing but I can delete this post anytime ;-) )

 

I only hit my stride, caught my second wind after 30. Talent is not something that is lost, but rather it is the muse of creativity that may have sometimes need of a candlelight dinner and a box of chocolates to woo her. It seems disengenuous to say that a musician or an artist in any medium looses talent at all, at any age. It however is what an artist does with their talent that may ebb or cressendo as the march of time carries on.

When Henri Matisse was as old as sand he could no longer paint but he could well darn a pair of scissors and exacto knives.


Neil Young, Neil Diamond, John Mayer, Wayne Coyne, J.S. Bach, Miles, Coltrane, George Harrison and thousands of other musicians are/were immensly talented...until the day that they die(d).

 

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Mozart wrote his best stuff after the age of 30.

Coltrane as well. He reached his full potential and creativity well after 30. He had a longer development path, but once he reached it he was out of this world.

 

Please spare a thought for those of us who unfortunately had no talent before 30 and are now in the bad books with the talent debt collectors.

 

I'm just getting started sweetheart! I think the most of the musicians/songwriters mentioned got burned out from it all. I'm just warming up!!

 

Someone forgot to send King Crimson this memo....LOL!!

 

After 30 or maybe 40, the only things would disappear are unreasonable presumptions and presuppositions about the meaning of the music and this might happen if you really luck out.

 

The World is a shithole mate!
Whether you like it or not, you and me and every other fucker are knee deep in it so to judge Britain is to judge your own front yard!

 

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I'd say that talent is very real but the majority of modern chart topping so called artists are under the illusion that they have some!

 

Really! Do you know anything about Mozart? Can you name any of his works? How do you come to this conclusion?

 

Now don't short change yourself Seedz! I have had the privilege to hear your great work and I reckon that you are now in the black and the wolves are no longer knocking at your door.

 

I agree mate, it's an awesome track, I'm glad you like it, written by guys in their 40's and 50's.

My Heart Will Go On was written and released in 1997, and is one of the top ten selling songs of all time, selling over 18 million copies.

Music composed by James Horner from California USA, born 1953, age 44 at the time.
Lyrics by Will Jennings from Texas USA, born 1944, age 53 at the time.
Produced by James Horner...
Simon Franglen from London England, born 1963, age 34 at the time...
Russian producer Walter (Vladimir) Afanasieff based in Sao Paulo Brazil, born 1958, age 39 at the time.

Please select my comment as best answer considering you just copped a 4 of a kind, now isn't that a daisy...

https://v637g.app.goo.gl/jsvwze7mFwStivQV7

 

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easy ,he might post another "i'm leaving AS" drama lol

 

Personally, I think a hungry artist over 30 with a certain drive might infuse something a little different then the young bucks. Possibly