I know they don't approve, for example, of posts using their keygens on newer versions.
Does anyone here know what R2R think about the symlink versions of their cracks currently being posted on AZ.

 

R2R think Symlink is for noobs!

 

I guess, with the latest r2r nfo's, now we know. They are not amused.

 

If they get miffed when someone "steals" a crack that they worked a couple of days on, I wonder if R2R can imagine how a developer feels when they destroy two or three years of work.

 

here we go again FFS

 

I allways buy what i really use - so i really just do a try before buy with warez. But to be honest most people that use r2r stuff would not buy the stuff from the developer anyway.
If you have the money buy the stuff, but dont steal from Robin Hood ...

 

Don't pirate pirated stuff; it's wrong & makes pirates sad.
P.S. Imagine how Robin Hood would've gone over if he didn't steal from the rich, but from Joe Sixpack. And the poor weren't really poor, but entitled children demanding free haute cuisine & designer clothing? The interweb is full of free food & shelter (free VSTs/DAWs) u no :|

 

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... or that I really like.

Warez do force vendors to sell their stuff for more reasonable prices. And that was a good thing, because vendors behaved like monopolists.
When it comes to reasonable prices, people are willing to buy the legal stuff. It has been this way with video and musik. It will be this way with software. Given this perspective warez is a kind of corrective for consumers to compensate the greed and market power of the vendors.
Once there is a methodology to spread mass market software in a way like spotify/netflix, warez will come to and end (in the long run).

(At the moment it's easier to use warez, even if you own the software, because every other vendor is using his own scheme to spread and protect his software. There won't be a solution for this (using warez) until there is a vendor-independent and consitent platform for software management)

 

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Not sure what you mean. A monopoly implies a single vendor -- not the case.
Not just that, but there are virtually no barriers to entry -- lrn2code, pump out VSTs & give them away

Exactly. Also: car theft is a kind of corrective for consumers to compensate the greed and market power of the [car] vendors.

 

I am not talking about the usual European or American spoiled brat, that makes beats with pirated software. I am talking about the people that live in the 40 + countries on this list. Where 14,99 for a slate bundle a month is a serious amount of money and not a pack of cigarettes less a month ;)

 

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I see. So Sir Robin is stealing from Joe Sixpack to provide the world's poor with Hermes silks & Patek Philippe watches? Because, due to their impoverished state, they're too good for ordinary stuff?
Walk me through this.

I mean, most of my stuff is pirated, which does make me a scumbag. Trying to take the moral high ground would only make me a ridiculous scumbag :|

 

You are right, the correct term may be oligopoly. But, that's why I said "like a monopolist" and not "as a monopolist".

I think you know the comparison is not valid. It's not the same stealing a bodily good or deminishing the potential of sales of a binary good...
And that is a problem in "binary times". As a software developer I am not able to really prove that software piracy do harm my business. I may be convinced and it may be plausible. But it's not provable. In contrast car theft is.

 

R2R's keygen & Patch file, It is as if it is going to open for a second, but then it doesn't open.

Not only Studio One's. All of them about R2R's also new and old releases. On my other computer works fine.

Just I wanted to mention it if you have any experience like that.
Thank you.
Yesterday, 22:14

 

Monopoly is a loaded word. Oligopoly is a meaningless one -- as long as not everyone is making VST's it's an oligopoly. The reason more people aren't making VSTs is ...you guessed it, ain't much money in it, shit just gets cracked

And that's why I'm not equating pirating software to stealing cars, but rather dealing with a specific aspect of each, specifically: how both act as "a kind of corrective for consumers to compensate the greed and market power of the vendors."
Care to explain why a Chevy dealer won't drop his prices when cars are stolen, but software vendors would?

 

It only makes you a scumbag if you could afford your vallhala reverb easily from your pocket money/income. Everyone sets his moral standarts for himself. So maybe you are right and stealing from thief is OK. But what i can definatly say is, you are a scumbag if you steal something from a thief and sell it while the original thief give it to everyone for free.

 

Let me get this straight: Unlike the devs, R2R are not making money from their work, so what exactly is being stolen? Stealing something with no measurable monetary value is ...well, a can of worms, probably not even actionable. While the DMCA is fairly clear re. the surprise buttsecs Sir Robin's provides to the devs

 

I can swear that I just use less than 1% of R2R's stuff (I don't need more than that) but R2R releases have a big issue and it's that they've been spread disorderly on the web and need someone to organize, categorize and pack them to be easily accessible. Even in AZ we don't have this system in tidy fashion and you're getting bewildered when you want to find sth. I like kvraudio's categorization and you can easily find what you want. If this facility provided on AZ, I'm sure would be better for all of us and even R2R.

 

No, because this is not a valid comaprison
(by the way: yes, you could lower prices on chevys if enough of them are stolen and don't flood you own market This was the case in the 19nineties, when car industry wasn't really interested in producing cars that were harder to steal. It needed laws to force them, at least in Europe. The "Chevys" went to eastern Europe, mostly Poland)

A valid basis would be comparing music industry products and software industry products. Both are products with an inherent value but with no physical value for the bytes.
History shows, that piracy lowered when prices dropped and ease of aquirement increased. Downloading MP3s is not a sport anymore and music industry is recovering.
(but you won't of course heal "hunters & collectors")

 

So say I'm NI, and make a post on the sister site along the lines of "don't crack my product pl0x ty." What happens next?