Ok, I will post wav file with nothing on master channel. I must warn it sounds quiet and different

OK I sent it to Satai. If anyone else wants with nothing on master channel please notify me. I dont know if people post unmastered stuff here in public area. Really dont know, so I need advice. Thank you.

 

Last edited: Nov 21, 2017

It' a personal choice if you want to post the un-mastered mix for the public to hear or not.

You can PM me a link to it, I am curious to hear it before final processing. I'll send you back something between -11 and -10LU for your efforts. It might take me a bit of time to get around to it since this Thanksgiving weekend and we have some driving down to Virginia to do tomorrow, but I'll get around to it.

 

Lord Fader, dear spencer

 

Like to get the link too.

Maybe the difference is interesting for the others. Could help a lot of people to listen to before and after to get an impression of what mastering could do.

 

We're sitting at -9.7 RMS, -1.0dB mp3 encoding headroom

There were annoying clicks in the original, which I did a quick pass fixing, really fixing them would take a lot more time. Enjoy!!

 

FWITW
Sounds good, different take on it, more mid forward a little better control of the upper mids, though sounds like Vlado's has a bit smoother and more present HF extension, and is a bit easier on ear fatigue.

I measured this time instead of relying on old man ears.
They are close: about 1LU apart (-10.8[Satai], -9.6[Vlado]) loudness ins't a contest though just posting the numbers for academic reasons.

Loudness Measurements (internal - D/D AES loopback)
Satai

# --- Overall Statistics ----------------
# Loopback: Ingest
# Start time: 2017-11-21 23:57:00
# End time: 2017-11-22 00:00:59
#
# Program Loudness (I): -10.8 LUFS
# Max Momentary Loudness (M): -9.3 LUFS
# Loudness Range (LRA): 2.2 LU
# True-Peak Max: -0.4 dBFS
#​

Vlado

# --- Overall Statistics ----------------
# Loopback: Ingest
# Start time: 2017-11-22 00:26:03
# End time: 2017-11-22 00:30:03
#
# Program Loudness (I): -9.6 LUFS
# Max Momentary Loudness (M): -8.2 LUFS
# Loudness Range (LRA): 1.6 LU
# True-Peak Max: 1.2 dBFS
#​

 

Wow, yes it sounds fantastic! I think Its different in middle section a lot, and there is less compression in the end, I think, since the flat cello tones stay flat, and in original master there are some ups and downs from satin plugin. But I will just tone satin more a bit. Still loving the original sound ;) It is interesting how two different takes sound different, but good.

And those clicks, can anyone exactly tell me where they are. Could they be coming from vocals??? Because they appeared in unmastered mix, too.

Thank you.

 

Last edited: Nov 22, 2017

If it is all ITB the clicks are probably a plugin misbehaving.

Find an area where you hear the clicks loop it. Turn off all your bus channels, you should hear nothing, start to turn on the sub-mix busses on one at a time. Locate which buss has the clicks in it and start digging into the plugins, turn them off one at a time till you find the misbehaving effect.

 

Thank you mozee. But I have problem hearing them while playing in ableton timeline. Do they appear at the same place in satai's and original spencer's and my mix? I need the exact places, time.

 

OK Guys
I took the raw mix and put it into Studio One on the Mac. I fed it out a 0 to my mastering section VIA VSL on the PC.
Made no changes at all. Just my standard Mastering which I mix through all the time.
I then returned it to the Mac Via VSL and put it into the Master Bus that had Oxford Limiter on it.
http://spencerlee.audio/hold/Vladmusic.wav

 

I heard no clicks on Raw Master.

 

MMMM nice! Thank you!

It is possible that vocals are causing sort of clicks, because of the filter curves I used in tantra are maybe too sharp. Trying to see if I can soften them. Those filter steps. Maybe between 2:30 to 2:50??? If there are clicks.

 

By the way all Compressor and EQ plugins were MeldaProduction. By far the best quality anywhere.
I also used Charly driving 2.5db and Satin as per my Screengrab earlier.
Spencer

 

What Clicks. I am probably too Old to hear them.
Spencer

 

Sounded like digital HF pop / clicks / skips , randomly occuring from the middle and toward the end of the song. Definitely could be filters. They were also in the "nothing on the 2bus" master and in the original mix mastered by Prog, but there they're lower and I didn't hear them at first either.

Something about my processing really brought them out... attenuated most of them in RX.

Prog, check one of them out shortly after 1:47 in Spencer's WAV. Same kinda thing keeps happening all second part of the song. Listen in headphones.

 

Last edited: Nov 22, 2017

WIll check it as soon as possible. Going to look down into filter stepper. I hope there is some option to soften them graphically, curves, directly in stepper.

 

Last edited: Nov 22, 2017

I heard something very thin there, and maybe at 2:40.

Damn this mastered mix sounds nice even at low volume

Another question, regarding kontakt. I downloaded several libraries during the summer, which I thought I could use. Checking them out is not same as using them in arrangements, obviously. I noticed a lot of inconsistencies while playing samples. For example, acoustic guitar, following every drum kick, is just two notes. One midi file, repeated through the song. But sometimes its late on kick drum, sometimes not, sometimes it appears like I was holding notes longer. But Its only one measure repeated. Maybe its good to export tracks separately and just loop parts I like accross that track, instead of original midis.

Or there is an easier way? Is it possible to export only one track as audio inside project, slice one measure I like and repeat it where needed????? And then turn off midi track.

 

Last edited: Nov 22, 2017

Is this spire clipping????? I noticed that level goes into orange area a lot during the mix????

I will maybe find more stuff. Investigating. What worries me is that satai said that there is a click near 1:47 in spencers mix, but there are no vocals there. And someone mentioned earlier some spikes at 2:35 or around that, and there are no vocals there. In both cases there are these sub, bas and mid bas layers, kick drum, hihats and acoustic guitar.

 

Last edited: Nov 22, 2017

I heard several clicks. significant in outro almost sounding like vinyl crackle 3:41 in your wav. Could that be on purpose?

Edit: PM

 

That is vocal. It is chopped by edited tantra preset. It is very sharp and fives clicks, but those are not those nasty peaks guys were talking about I think. Since on those timings there are no vocals.