Forgot to point out, or almost entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand? No one is seriously using smartphones for audio production, so Apple's share of the phone market means pretty much zilch in this context.

 

Interesting question, start a poll

 

My bringing up iPhones was my direct response to @Thankful's (now-hidden) statement that only 3.7% of the world's population uses Macs, and that, by that logic, Macs are irrelevant, not whether or not iOS/macOS (sadly, damn near the same thing, these days) is superior to Windoze or why the teams are no longer offering up a lot of Mac releases. Again, I've been a Mac user since 1993 and I do not own a smart phone or tablet, Apple or otherwise. I can't imagine doing any sort of serious computing on a phone or tablet, especially not music production.

However, I will also point out that a lot of people actually own smart phones -- iPhones, in particular -- instead of computers these days. People who would have casually bought a computer for Internet or word processing or even home finances in the past just buy smart phones now. And if they have to buy a computer, unless it's for gaming, it's usually the cheapest and smallest one they can possibly get, which usually happens to be a low-end PC laptop or something like a Surface. Macs are just too damn expensive, and buying one used means you have an exceptionally short window of time to use it, as Apple would rather you keep buying new computers and rigs its OS updates accordingly. Most serious computers are modded PCs intended for gamers. And then, a large chunk of the music community has apparently decided that, since computer audio is available to anyone for a reasonable price, it's no longer "cool" and have gone back to recording on analog tape and decrying how bad digital audio sounds. Those of us actually trying to utilize computer technology to create music or video or graphic art on any OS are, sadly, the tiny exception now.

 

im probably gonna get lynched for this here... BUUT

Why not consider buying your software if you can afford a fancy aluminum computer?

A few decades ago people would have payed a million bucks for what is available nowadays even as free software

But hey, armchair pirate culture seems to be more about access to expensive stuff then actually using pro software

Great way to test stuff with pirated software or if you really cant afford what other people have worked for to create.
Even the crack teams are WORKING to make cracks, they do it for fun, not to jerk off lazy entitled people.

If your mac cant be used to test it get an old windows 7 machine for cheapies. In case there happens to be a troyan/virus/smelly fish inside the cracked software you wont fuck up your mac this way

Popular believ amongst exclusive mac users is that you wont be allowed entry into heaven if you have used microsoft software even once in your life as it will permanently taint and scar your immortal soul, which may or may not be true.

But then again, just fukken buy it

 

I dunno how much disposable income you might have, but most people I know (including myself) who buy Macs these days are buying them used/refurbished on eBay, or are just hanging on to the same hardware they've been using for the last seven or eight years. The last legitimately new Mac I purchased was the original black MacBook (not Pro) back in 2006, for which I paid $2,500 cash. I made sure it was outfitted with its full complement of 2GB RAM and Parallels running Windoze Vista before it left MacMall, which may have driven up the price. I snagged a much, much faster MBP used on eBay for $650 about eight years later. Like I said in a previous post, if I were gonna pay approximately $4,000 for a black air freshener (not including monitors, which would be between an extra $1,000-$2,000, based on the number you'd prefer) that can't even be upgraded without an expensive trip to an Apple Store, I'd just throw that cash at iZ Technologies and get a tricked-out RADAR Station.

 

Exactly! More tools, easier to crack windows software.

 

That was the point of my original post on here (which kinda got lost in the shuffle): it's a lot easier to k Windoze software than it is to crack Mac software. Which is great news for the teams, but bad news for anybody who owns a Windoze computer and never stops to think "Wow, there sure is a lot of k'd Windoze software out there ... I wonder if this means it's also a lot easier to hack into my computer?"

 

Well... most of the people you mentioned also don't care if it's a Mac or PC, because it's there just to play stuff when they press space. The actual mixing is done on a proper mixing console and the computer just sits in a corner and plays back audio.

 

just think
if 3%of the world use mac , and the ratio turn to 50% for musicians
and over 50% for the best of them,it's the hazard ????
you really think they can't choose or don't care about their own computer and system???
if those guy are the best it's because they don't give any place to hazard
ok ok deadmouse is a winuser but not on stage ...

 

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I really don't see what difference it should make to anyone, who uses what OS, phone, DAW, car or toothbrush. Why on gods earth would anyone care as long as you like your own personal niche.

 

you can upgrade anything besides the GPU easily

 

Canada only looks socialist because it happens to be next to America.

 

Are you referring to the new generation of Macs I was discussing? No, you can't. Aside from the fact that what passes for a Mac "tower" these days has no PCI slots, they also solder the RAM, video cards and hard drives right to the motherboard to prevent the end user from upgrading anything. If you're lucky enough to still be under warranty when you want to add more RAM to your new Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, iMac or Mac Mini, you'll have to take it to your nearest Apple Store or officially-licensed Apple repair outfit and have them do it. If not, you'll have a hefty repair/replace fee on top of an unnecessarily complicated procedure that would have taken me about five minutes and a couple of screwdrivers to perform on my 2011 MBP. Granted, if you're handy with a soldering iron and know your way around a circuit board, you could theoretically do it yourself ... at the expense of your AppleCare Warranty (if you have one). This is one of the reasons I'd rather take my chances on an used older Mac than anything they've made in the last couple of years.

 

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I think that only furthers the argument that Apple itself is still relevant, not that Mac computer software is relevant. Since the user base of Mac is much smaller than Windows, clearly there is going to be less hacker talent (interest, applications, knowledge passed around, etc.) devoted to cracking Mac apps. Why crack an app for only 3% of people to enjoy when you can please 97% of the user base in one fell swoop?

That's probably contributes to why a lot of Mac cracks are just keygens that were figured out for Windows, yet since the keygen works for both then all then might as well release the Mac app too. Speaking from a practical/numbers perspective, Mac is mostly irrelevant. Simple math.

I just don't see iPhone usage as a refutation for that.

 

Mac scene is not dead, it happens that is not public anymore. Teams and crackers are still cracking but they dont want to share it anymore. As some one said previously, most of them just do it for fun. Do you think Pitchshifter just stop getting fun? Or Hexwars? No, they are craking software for them selfs, just for fun, just because they can.
And i know this from a reliable source.

 

What part of "I was responding directly to @Thankful's statement and not the overall subject of this thread" did you not understand? The part where iPhones were involved, and I then qualified that statement by saying I didn't even own an iPhone (or any smart phone, for that matter)? At no point did I say anything about iPhones being used for music production ... though, since you brought up the subject, this answer may depress the living fuck out of you.

 

Did the Teams lose interest in OSX?
As an Apple user I used to make me the same questions 20 years ago.
Now I'm happy with my MS enviroment. No way back!

 

I'm not looking forward to making the inevitable leap over to Windoze, but it's definitely coming, unless Apple does a complete 180º and starts to take their computer manufacturing division seriously again.

 

I know more than a couple of actual brick and mortar recording studios with paying clients that have hackintoshes. IJS And have had their upgradable setups for years.... derp

 

the trashcan mac pro