Ok good, well i'm saying they are not a "thief from whom other thief is stealing" as you haven't really defined anything so it makes no sense to anyone else apart from yourself? Doesn't really matter though I guess
Long as it works for you though then that's cool and of course everyone entitled to an opinion Nice one

 

If it wasnt for pirating I probably wouldnt own anything but free plugins and REAPER with a nag screen most likely. I still haven't made any real money besides a few dozen live P.A. gigs and have bought what I could afford. If I ever get a big advance or have the budget, I will buy multiple licences for all my most used plugs just because I feel the developers deserve it. I know that I'm not the only one out there that feels this way.

 

cafenegro what the fuck are you saying
if anything r2r and others HELPED developers making money

the ones who dont buy stuff are the ones who werent gonna buy it in the first place

 

My pops has netflix, hulu and prime accounts but will still watch the movies and tv shows I give him before the streaming services drop them... Hes a retired engineer from IBM with 7 patents for PC hardware he designed for them

 

I dont fall for youtube or internet hype anymore. Most of that stuff is seeded like amazon reviews, lol. I did believe it all once upon a time. Now I'll use plugs in a couple of tracks or projects first before I make a well-informed decision to buy them. So much stuff is way overhyped (and overpriced) I have saved so much money by stopping the urge to impulse buy for sure. Not only with audio but also photoshop and after effect plugins as well. There is so much crap out there that looks like gold on the web. Think Hollywood movie trailers.... like the Dark Tower for example. I read all the books but will not waste money to go see it, even though the trailer made me want to do so. Just my experience, I have bought games in the past based just on reviews and vids just to find out they were poorly optimized buggy pieces of crap.

But, I will use a full featured trial or demo with time limits when its available, like the Acoustica Audio and iLok trials. I still stay away from the static/white noise burst demos though.

 

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No it does not, it probably lessens the severity, but having a site with your name and limiting free availability (aka. making money with warez) would worsen it for sure.

And a well known truth around here i'd guess. Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts... again.. Don't get too frustrated. It doesn't really matter what you are doing. Some people see the challenge and there will always be someone to respond.

 

you keep repeating the same arguments which have been already discussed in this topic and in many, many others, by people way more smart and better than me that are into this. so yeah, what a bore, is it hard to take 10 minutes to read other people answers? i can understand not wanting to read the whole thread, but we had this many times.

always the same stuff come up, and people keep repeating literally the same concepts over and over.

 

@Mainzelman : Yes, pointless Don Quijotery on both sides.
It would be more productive, if everybody wouldn't have made up their minds already. This way, they only repeat old arguments. Boring.

An open discussion could lead to a better way to deal with people, who don't use software in a professional way or don't have the money to buy. But calling them "pirates" simply doesn't help.

On the other hand, copying and using software in a professional business making money IS a problem for the software industry. On the long run, the problem will lead to less developement and software of lower quality.
A proof is Autoddesk, Adobe, where development has almost come to an end. They just add minor enhancements on a yearly basis. And they buy competitors just to close them.

Everyone seems to have a black & white view on the world: The evil software vendors vs. the evil software users.

I'm convinced, there is a solution out there.
A proof for that is Blackmagic Design. They give their Video-Editor/Color Grader Davinci away for hobbyists and charge only professionals for a version, hobbyists won't be interested in.

 

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@twoheart
I don't see the problem. Software industry is still expanding since the beginning. audio software industry included. I just sense a lot of tilting at windmills.. maybe from both sides, you're probably right. Some people's expectations are simply too high (too attached) I think.

And that really leads offtopic. Look below, around and everywhere.

 

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They know it's stealing. They know it's wrong. They know it's illegal, everywhere. They know that's the reason people like R2R work underground.

They are just lying about it because they feel shame being thieves. They feel shame and that's why the main excuse is that they are "trying before buying"!!!! Lol. They feel shame because they know it's wrong to steal other people's work or possessions. They would be the first ones crying foul if someone "borrowed" their TV set forever without their consent, in the middle of the night.

And yes, their arguments are absurd because they are trying to deny something obvious: they are stealing. Try proving 2+2=5 and you will see how twisted your logic becomes...lol

Bottom line is simple: R2R is stealing from developers. No real debate there.

 

Not true. It's not a question of knowing, it's a question of feeling.
As long as they feel comfortable with cracking software there won't be a change.

And of course you'll never change the behaviour of "hunters & collectors". They are not a part of the problem, because they just copy and store. They don't use sw.

 

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@Cafenegro
I think, it's time for a paradigm change, like in music and movie industry. At least for the smaller companies. Away from paying software by package to own and starting to sell it in a way of pay per use or a flatrate type like Netflix or Deezer/Spotify.
It almost makes no sense to copy music or movies any more, because it is so easy to pay and consume the new way. And people start feeling better this way.
I didn't carck software, I don't own, but I confess, I downloaded a lot of music and movies in the past years. I don't do it any more, because it's easier to be legit now. Better feeling.

 

I think this is over-simplified.
I think it's more like picking a lock of a store and leave it open for people to steal.
It's more about pride, suporiority, fame and those kinds of feelings. It's a sport. They feel like heroes and a lot of people using their cracks are saying they are.

 

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Yeah @Nick12 Back to the original topic
You got your things together

There are still some noobs left.. Good news. I think it's only two of them

 

Think again about the picture of R2R being a lock picker.
If the lock picking is not done to steal something, under many juridictions it is not a crime. Only when you steal something to get an unlawful benefit, the whole thing will get a burglary.

So, depending under wich jurisdiction R2R acts, cracking a software may not be a crime at all.

Only people using cracked software unauthorized for a monetary benefit (making money or using software without paying) are thieves under the law. And of course, uploading and distributing, if you receive a benefit, will be theft too.

The key is the unlawful benefit.

And under even more jurisdictinons it is questionable, if R2R is acting unlawful, if they just produce a keygen or patcher, without cracking the software themselves. Then only the enduser is cracking software illegaly.

It's just not that simple @Cafenegro

 

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In your face, bitches!!

 

Yes, exactly!

It doesn't mean if real R2R is doing illegal things that fake R2R gets all the rights immediately to steal their work and selling it. In this case they are not doing the right thing either. Instead by only putting themself in a much more wrong way. I'm even sure they don't care anyway, sadly.

Fake R2R is just disrespecting their hard work. Not only them, but also the people right there. They persuade people to let them think they are real to pay for it, while you can find it for free somewhere else at the same time. They are probably not realizing that this is actually another way of scamming people. At least real R2R don't. Even if real R2R is illegal. I think it's still not nice to steal someone else work that's even released for free with the goal of helping us. Still big differences in my opinion.

Fake R2R only care about money, but they are doing it on the wrong way. It's kinda like you make a track and someone steals it and sells it for money, right? A lot of disrespect to them and to the community. Fake R2R is just like nope we are too greedy, but it's still sad that they are trying to make money not on the nice way. Everyone have his own way of thinking of course and as long as everyone is being nice to each other it should be fine I quess?

 

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hello guys i just downloaded the r2r crack and i double clicked thecRun included "R2R_IS_AGAINST_BUSINESS_WAREZ.cmd" file and then i opened the keygen file but nothing has changed , please help me with that

 

As it was explained by @Matt77 earlier in the post:

"You can add the entry manually. Go to C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc folder (C:\ being your %WINDIR%) and you will see the hosts file (no extension).

You can open notepad and drag the file on it to open it. Add a new line:

Code:

127.0.0.1 www.r2rdownload.com

Save the hosts file without any extension where it was (it is wise to make a copy of the original before)

Depending on your settings - UAC, AV,... you can run into problems saving the file in that folder. Save in another place as hosts.txt and copy in ...\etc folder (deleting the extension!) The hosts file must also have at least one blank line at the end to work."

 

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