Benny used this all over Rihanna's Diamonds.

Not the first time

 

Open up a sampler, toss in a nice chunky closed hi-hat, place a hit on every 16th note in a bar, then loop that bar and press play. Now, tell me it's still not as true today as it was 15 years ago. And before you mention all of the wonderful humanization features in modern digital audio workstations, go back and reread what you quoted.

 

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check this out

 

Compression is just another tool, many times its necessary.
Whats wrong with the toms and crashes, lol? You have some sort of an analog phobia.

 

wear it with pride... wrinkles and crinkles..

that song has become one of the timeless classics.. though some people will decide to never find
good in it... and the facial hair? this is not so long after the 70's.. and this band
was made up of mostly session musicians... REAL musicians..
not a pre-fab prepackaged fresh faced boy band

 

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hahah yeah i will to my best! But what about all thosse gray hairs? what do you do?

 

Well it's not. Open up some decent DAW. Transients doesn't have to be on the grid. And today resolutions give us even more possibilities of not having grooves quantized. Not even need to mention humanization features that only smooth up this. And if you tell me you hear the quantization that the computer is doing when processing A-N, well you're just another case of placebo effect regarding this "issue" There is dozens of 100% ITB tracks that sounds totally natural and un-quantized.

True a computer won't ever be capable of 100% un-quantized audio signals, at least binary computers. But don't tell me you HEAR it on good produced materials, that's not true. Exactly like a Minimoog VS Monark + AA compare, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the same track processed with analog gear only VS processed in digital world. Apart the obvious mixes differences both tracks will get, your ear can't catch the quantification the computer did, that's just too fast. But of course if the digital engineer snapped and matched transients to grid it will sounds different.

 

@RedThresh.. if you say so.. can you throw up a nice A/B for us to consider.. ?

I mean, take the minimoog ( or some early version of it ) on "Here Comes the Sun" .. I can't think of any digital synth I have heard that just sounds so FAT like that... granted they had all the analog hardware resources at their command in studio to process it ...but... just haven't heard anything even close....

 

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To me the difference is the same as analog vs digital film. For us who have grown up with analog era bands and movies have that certain sound/image imprinted in our brains.
Digital is ones and zeroes, analog is not, even when looped.
Maybe its the essence of notes and music, maybe each sound has a life on its own, it vibrates differently, it has to, but then again our life itself is written in a code, everything we see is a code....codes within codes, within codes...a world within a different world.

But yea, digital is doing a lot of things right lately, i love ITB production and the freedom it gives you. Plugins today are a totally different beast compared to just 10 years ago, but what guides me when twisting those plugin knobs is definitely the analog era, when things were just somehow "perfect", that sound, the feeling of being "home".

 

N.O.S. German Lorenz plug I insert in my channel strip, to emulate the analog saturation (lol)

 

Between the grid and sloppy timing lie all the great songs of all time.

 

You just nailed philosophy of life. The golden middle. You cant fuck properly with a 20 neither 2 inch dick.

 

Thats not the point. You can humanize and swing like hell, thats true, but if you ever played an instrument in a band live on stage, you know, how many dynamic and feeling just builds up from your own feeling and grooving. You feel, how the massive chorus is just in front of you, you feel how everybody in the band builds the tension. They want to explode at this moment. And this is a thing you are not capable to reproduce in a DAW as long as you don't let the musicians play live together.

Its also a difference, if you use a certain tool in your daw and hear like it sounds, or if you use a certain instrument, know the song, feel the song, understand the message and let all that flow into your performance. You can test it. Let a song play and just beginn drumming with your hands on your knees. As long as you are able to groove and keep the rhythm, you will end up with a very special groove and accentuation for every different song. You will hit harder or softer in some situations. You will chase or drag the beat. And thats your feeling. Thats grooving without following your DAW suggestions.

 

You've just made my day, brother. You rock.

That's true as long as you are an accomplished musician. Air drummers and table tappers can get away with anything as long as they're happy in their hearts. However, working wirth a DAW even in a bedroom studio is an endeavor for appreciation and following. Unless you compose for yourself, you have to build your chops so that your "feeling" can be passed on to others --your audience --successfully. Feeling has to meet musicianship.

EDIT: My point is that until/unless you have the right chops, your DAW will always know better.

 

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I hear your points Mr VS and Mr Soto, I think that's more tinted than that, for both yours and my opinion on this... And thing is there isn't complete exact science with analog signal, I think that's the main reason behind all this.

I can't agree more

 

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Well, my complete honest answer on this is there is tons of synths that can sound like this today, and that won't lose it when added in a digital (hybrid actually) world. I think that's the only thing in the analog/real world that computers managed to reproduce almost (enough) perfectly in their digital one. Analog grain of synths are a reality in our DAWs these days. Not since a long time though.

 

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Well i find this video very enjoyable and attractive. Not many synths can do that ITB or OTB

 

I'm in love.

 

and not one example? out of dozens should be pretty easy to find one .... a link is trivial to paste here.. took me a minute or two

 

Who wouldnt want to tap that (b)ass.