What is real and not? (aka ATHESIM vs THEISM) (CLOSED)

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are you atheist or theist?

Poll closed Nov 17, 2017.
  1. theist

    30.8%
  2. atheist

    53.8%
  3. in between: for example: Taoism/buddhism (god-less religions)

    9.9%
  4. Both

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Divided by

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. "i don't know" + " i donm't know" + " idon't know" = God, souls, afterlife

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. I don't have the free will to answer this becuase i am a fictional charactor

    1.1%
  8. the universe is a video game created by an alien

    2.2%
  9. Vegan

    2.2%
  1. MMJ2017

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    very interesting logic.

    1. make assumptions about people as soon as they arrive even though you have no knowledge of them.
    2.asking questions about them is pathetc
    3. even though they have a question that pertains to them not learning about the topic by reading first page, take the blame.



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  2. MMJ2017

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    if nothingness is behind you WHAT are you doing HERE?

    what i am saying is how are you connecting nothingness and doing something and where you are located?

    if you read page 1 this thread i created you will see why i am here.

    why are you?



    do you feel like because a movie has a start and an end ( it is not eternal)
    there is no point to watch it?
    because your favorite meal will be gone after that last bite what is the point in eating it?

    do you feel like because an orgasm only last 1 moment what is the point in having one?
    because a book only has so many pages and that it what is the point in reading it?
     
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  3. Jim Stratos

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    If nothingness is behind me I'm enjoying my current and everlasting (as a theist to remind you) "somethingness" being here!
    See how easy it is for me?

    Now it's your turn at elevated difficulty since you are crying like a baby for insignificant and irrelevant things!

    If nothingness is ahead you WHAT IS THE MEANING OF YOUR WHOLE LIFE?
     
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    "
    If nothingness is ahead of me I'm enjoying my "somethingness" being here!
    See how easy it is for me?



    Now it's your turn at elevated difficulty since you are crying like a baby for insignificant and irrelevant things!

    If nothingness is has no connection to you WHAT IS THE MEANING OF YOUR WHOLE LIFE?[
     
  5. Jim Stratos

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    watch for the edit and come back to me
     
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    what is the connection between nothingness and something?

    you are trying to connect nothingness to things and i cant see the connection
     
  7. Jim Stratos

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    stop being pathetic.
    edit your post and come back to me
     
  8. MMJ2017

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    since you wont go to the very first page that has your answers, and read what this thread is about here.






    I will begin my position by stating what I believe to be the most important information related to this topic, that is the distinction between fiction and reality or to be more precise fiction vs non-fiction. I want to be very clear there is a such thing as fiction. In this specific situation I am referring to fiction being any thought ,concept, idea, proposition or statement which cannot demonstrably be shown to be true in the context of reality. In fact fiction is the vast majority of thoughts, ideas, concepts, propositions, and statements and the tiny minority are ones that can be demonstrably shown to be true in reality,

    Why is this important at all in any way?

    Because there is a way human beings actually work regarding our thought process and our minds. our thoughts are made of words and symbols which are virtual not real , so for any meaning to be there, we have to be talking about those symbols representing something and reality is what the words are supposed to represent. next we human beings are stuck in a subjective experience of spending each moment inside of our mind, we are capable of misunderstanding and not accounting for all details of a situation which leads to fictional or false propositions ideas and thoughts statements. Reality is outside of us. In order for us to utter words strung together in a meaningful way those words have to accurately be describing that outside reality. in order for that to take place we have to have demonstrable evidence , meaning we have to test and probe reality to see what the answer is to a question then we can formulate a thought about how things actually work or what exists in reality.

    This means when it comes to the topic of how can a thought, idea, concept or proposition EVER be true. It can only be true IF we have demonstrable evidence or data from reality itself that we form a proposition or thought based on in order to talk about how things actually work or what exists outside of our experience which is subjective.

    based on this first point 1. Fiction vs Non-fiction (read above) we can move to our first point on a journey to uncover and eventually establish hard-atheism or "there is no god"

    Point number 1 against theism:
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    Theism is literally when a human being accepts that some storytelling is true which happens to include god character. the theist is not making a point and never has that god is real, they are believing that a storytelling made of words and told by mouth or book is true.

    But when we factor in the above information regarding Fiction vs Reality we can see that there is no such thing as a true proposition , thought, idea, concept UNLESS there is demonstrable evidence showing that it is not fiction, again this is a limitation due to how human beings exist in reality, how our minds really work, we use virtual symbols in thought and to form propositions and the only time it can be said for those symbols to have meaning when they are talking about reality itself. yes if a person id writing a movie script or fictional comic book they may have ideas thoughts propositions that they know are fiction for the work of fiction, however in the case of theism vs atheism we are evaluating the existence in reality of god .
     
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    are you saying thing only have value if they last forever? there is no such thing as value in scarcity?
     
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    For my case the Holy Bible answers your question from 2000+ YEARS AGO!!!!!!!
    How pathetic you are...
     
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    Where did you read these???
    stop being pathetic.
    edit your post repost it and come back to me
     
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    Since you keep crying like a baby take the final question at top difficulty and I'm done with you before I die from boredom!

    WHAT IS THE MEANING OF YOUR WHOLE LIFE?
     
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    what is the meaning of my whole life?


    what is a "whole life"

    im not aware that I have a whole life I think i have only had part of one so far.
    I dont know what is going to happen in my future so I dont know what it will mean.
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    so lets see, the meaning of the life that I have so far had, is to advance myself, help human beings. learn as much as I can. express myself, feel joy, feel being alive wait that is it.

    because we are called "being" a "human being" and we are a living being. the purpose of a whole life is to be "alive"

    I got it the purpose of a "whole life" is to be "alive"



    so do you think there is not only "living beings" but "dead beings" also? or is to be dead not to be? so you dont believe in death? do you deny death? are you a death denier?

    remember i am pathetic ( love your neighbor takes a different tone?)
    Imagine if me and you were standing next to Jesus and he let me in but told you ( you called him pathetic remember that? and what is your duty first peter 3:15?) guards take him away! " no, jesus, wait he is a dirty atheist you made a mistake!" jesus )and you fine sir have PASSED the challenge the lines of blow are on the table to the right and the dancers are in that room over there see that, and um eh eh ugh call me heyzooz now bud.
     
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  14. farao

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    Get a life...? That is quite funny considering the subject. :)

    Maybe you can share some info on how to get an extra life? Is there something more to it than thinking happy thoughts?
     
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  15. Jim Stratos

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    advanced or non advanced neither the nothingness (nor you) can tell the difference! Atoms and Particles consisting you don't advance in any way! Cute but purposeless...

    To reach happily their nothingness? Noble but purposeless...

    Even if you learn everything your atoms and particles won't remember a thing when you reach your nothingness. Ambitious but purposeless...

    Atoms and particles don't express or feel anything or being alive in any conceivable way. They just obey the Physical Laws! So purposeless again...
    Atoms and particles currently consisting you are not alive or "alive". Every day you exchange zillions of them in fact and NONE of them cares for what moving you've just written!

    If only they could laugh they would have torn you apart from their vibrations!!!

    I myself barely try not to die from laughing!!!!!
     
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    You just make this thought.
    Your atoms and particles have no life even now you are talking to me!
    When you go to piss or shit see for yourself and come back reporting your results...
     
  17. farao

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    Why so mad, cheer up man :mates:
     
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    That was not very nice said? Why are you mad at me?
     
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    mad???
    My only fear is not to die in here either from boredom reading your commonplace opinions or loud laughing!!!
     
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    I thought to write "when you go to the bathroom" but you wouldn't understand me.
    Pass the bad words and keep the meaning please!
     
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