You Jim Stratos wrote that

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Jim Stratos said: ↑
Nice to hear that!!!!

Since you live by this one from Heisenberg
"Therefore, it will never be possible by pure reason to arrive at some absolute truth."

go study this one from Jesus...

John 14:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."



the you said



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It's not mine quote but Heisenberg's and talked about everything you read in it!

Isn't that clear too???


For a theist like me the Absolute Truth is only the God as Jesus boldly declared!

For an atheist there is no absolute truth and rightly so but sadly this leads to the absence of Objective Reality that disturbs all the atheists!
Cherry picking is not a good thing after all..."





and I MMJ2017 considered by that, that you didn't understand the meaning of Heisenberg's quote"

 

"For an atheist there is no absolute truth and rightly so but sadly this leads to the absence of Objective Reality that disturbs all the atheists!
Cherry picking is not a good thing after all..."


and I MMJ2017 considered by that, that you didn't understand the meaning of Heisenberg's quote""

 

I would say the fabric of space-time at the planck scale

 

NONE of the two comments are referred to the Heisenberg quote you "translated"!!!!
You're an amazing guy!
Really!!!!

 

you are right i was going to for that one but we got caught in all the comments i didnt get a chance to yet then we started talking about other things.

you posted the image of Einstein saying reality was mere illusion then you posted several Heisenberg then you said there was no such thing as objective reality
then that a quote about Heisenberg talking when language breaks down

you presented everything as IF it all supported your proposition that there is no reality and your sources where Einstein and Heisenberg

I can only go by what you give me in your comments

now you have clarified i get it clearer now. in the recent comments

 

NEITHER that comment referred to the Heisenberg quote you "translated"!!!!
Heisenberg didn't write about truth or even worse about absolute truth or Gods!!!!

Thanks for the favor, anyway!

 

exactly he didnt

BUT these were what you presented for your argument that atheists have no objective reality

 

On the other hand I would say the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!!

I don't need your personal opinion but a scientific fact if you have one (as atoms and particles before Quantum Mechanics).

 

It is all right there. look above

 

I dont understand what you mean you asked for the ground level of reality the planck scale at the fabric of space-time is the literal ground level of objective reality that is the question you asked and I gave you NOT an opinion but the actual answer that has been demonstrated by the LHC

 

https://home.cern/topics/large-hadron-collider

to try and go " lower" than that of a ground level would mean string theory bu that s not demonstrable.

 

what is

"(as atoms and particles before Quantum Mechanics)."

IF NOT the fabric of space-time zoomed into the planck scale?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory

unification is the farthest you can go.

its not MY answer it is THEE answer sir.

I don't get why you think this is MY opinion.

 

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Since you rejected the other two as your fault let's stick to this one.

a) Heisenberg was presented with NO COMMENT FROM ME
b) YOU said that Heisenberg didn't mean what the image showed (?!?) while you accused me (?!?) of cherry pick and afterwards by "translating" Heisenberg and accusing me (?!?) for my poor..."fathom"!!!!
c) What I've written was referring to YOUR comments that's why I referred to theists, atheists, absolute truth etc and not Heisenberg's quote

 

OKAY YOU ARE PLAYING GAMES IM DONE>

 

Thank you for exposing yourself...

 

No please!
Keep posting!

 

MMJ2017 I cannot see from the links you shared that space time fabric is the ground level of the Objective Reality.
Can you copy paste the relative quote?

 

Does...CERN (and Wiki) say that space time fabric is the ground level of Objective Reality and you the...unbeliever wrote that Objective Reality is only 90% true for you???

 

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MMJ2017 said:
"yes they def have a design, that design is the laws of nature or ( the way things actually work) "our living cells that arranged to be us operate in biology", but when you zoom into cell it is laws of chemistry that operate same with DNA its laws of chemistry at work. the design is there for sure but reality shows us there is no intelligent design, but i like speaking with you you have goods points to discuss sir.
we haven't found a single event in the universe that was accident before it was all done by ( the way things actually work)which has been demonstrably shown to have no mind".


Too many flaws in what your stating sir. you read the bible many times and don't know a prophecy is ? you attribute design to the laws of nature, really? ok lets go with that for fun, if nature designed us , who designed nature ? A thing can't design itself , that would break the law of motioned time, because it would need momentum to start moving and time to develop and form. Nature would then have to predetermine what the purpose will be for each thing it created.It would have to know how far to put the sun from earth, as well as the laws of gravity. It would have to know the details of atoms,molecules , photons ,neutrons and plasma...Now if you tell me that you truly believe that something without a mind can create a mind, then your delusional at this point...and I bow out gracefully from this discussion. If nature created us , why did it stop and where did it get its information from. You cannot ask a thing, to tell you its purpose, that my friend comes from the mind of the creator of the thing. If the maker a turntable did not explain what is or does the TT can't tell you its purpose. So how did nature explain which fruit we can or cannot eat? The 1st person that ate fruit could not do that by trial and error, less he die trying, which would effect reproduction of the human race. He had to have information of what was good for him and what was not..now where did he get hat info from? Also riddle me this , when did nature do this? can you give concrete evidence since you seem so sure about your assumption?