https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg

read the WHOLE wikipage!

at that time they found out about quantum mechanics and its weirdness
that turned what they knew on their head ( that atoms and particles are not the ground level of reality)

 

there is NO absence of objective reality because quantum mechanics exists.

it just means we can have electronic devices and hot showers and air conditioners!

in the absence of objective reality , there would be no way things work. hence no ability to build things accomplish anything we would be cavemen still.

 

WOW!!!!
Really???
From the above comments/sentences of mine you understood my..."fathom" to the meaning of the image???

Can you do it even better please?

I want you to write something like that
" You Jim Stratos wrote that .............................................. and I MMJ2017 considered by that, that you didn't understand the meaning of Heisenberg's quote"

Can you do that for me funny guy?

 

If we do have an Objective Reality then we do have (at least) an absolute truth about something!

Don't you agree?

 

Jim Stratos said: ↑
It's not mine quote but Heisenberg's and talked about everything you read in it!

Isn't that clear too???


For a theist like me the Absolute Truth is only the God as Jesus boldly declared!

For an atheist there is no absolute truth and rightly so but sadly this leads to the absence of Objective Reality that disturbs all the atheists!
Cherry picking is not a good thing after all...

 

Jim Stratos said: ↑


For an atheist there is no absolute truth and rightly so but sadly this leads to the absence of Objective Reality that disturbs all the atheists!

 

no, I would say we have trillions of pieces of evidence that objective reality exists .( tentative knowledge)
there are times like in dreams there is no objective reality so we can see the difference.

I take absolutely certain. to mean " is very sure of to the point of zero percent chance being wrong"

for example that objective reality exists I take to be about 90 percent certain. but it is so large to me it is the most likely the amount of demonstrable evidence for it is staggering. that smaller percentages are other unlikely alternate situations like being in a computer program for example.

 

I don't need to read the wiki. I have read his books...

Very good!
So, what IS the ground level of reality?

 

well, it depends what YOU are referring to by "reality"
I use it to describe "the way things actually work" outside our inner experience of mind.

I have heard people say " the reality I experience"
which to me that is NOT reality , instead I call that " subjective experience" or " inner experience"

which one are YOU using it for?

 

It's not what I've asked you...

 

It's not what I've asked you...
You have already posted them and are pretty fine but please do me the favor I've asked you!

 

I don't understand can you ask me in a new comment box again? sorry bout that haha

 

Keep posting my friend!

 

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Jim Stratos said: ↑
I don't need to read the wiki. I have read his books...


Very good!
So, what IS the ground level of reality?"

 

of course!

I want you to write something like that
" You Jim Stratos wrote that .............................................. and I MMJ2017 considered by that, that you didn't understand the meaning of Heisenberg's quote"

Can you do that for me funny guy?

 

"
MMJ2017 said: ↑
well, it depends what YOU are referring to by "reality"
I use it to describe "the way things actually work" outside our inner experience of mind.

I have heard people say " the reality I experience"
which to me that is NOT reality , instead I call that " subjective experience" or " inner experience"

which one are YOU using it for?"

 

When I'm referring to reality I always mean Objective Reality as the Physicists shown.
What is the ground level of the Objective Reality since after Quantum Mechanics atoms and particles are not?