what do you mean by mr. floyd?

 

Still not recovering from not being able to promotte your political agenda here ? So tough hum ?

Talking about engaging in non audio topic related, I regret to not read you in audio topic related threads...I mean on an audio forum it's such a shame.

 

wait what?!

that is very bizarre!

 

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For beign a skeptic ? I thought that's what this topic was about ?

 

oh I see, thank you i appreciate it

 

Talmi

I will respond to your comments that directly deal with the topic thats it.

 

You should take a break for questioning a members loss of a parent. It is real new low, really.

 

I think you can both talk about the fact that you have lost loved ones and yet not say specificaly that it's your parents.
If you do , de facto, you open the door to have it being part of the conversation. It's actually a big part of his point : read again CAREFULLY.
BTW it's a fair point, I would have asked if his obvious need to explain reality the way he does rely on a trauma even if he hadn't specified it was his parents.
MJM2017 has explained Hitler's act because of his relation to fiction, it's fair to ask if someone coming with such theories isn't subject himself to relative troubles.
Since he chose to talk about it, and chose to make it personal by questioning my ability to gasp with reality since I wouldn't agree with him (which is the lowest anyone can go).....
Well you went lower by trying to make me, doubting his bad argument, look like I'm the bad guy.

 

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last time I checked a skeptic is NOT a person that accepts their own storytelling about a person which they dont know hardly anything about, wouldn/t you be skeptical of your thoughts creating this storytelling with a villain and a hero? I never heard of a storytelling where the hero yells in the face of the villain " your lying about your fathers suicide!"

 

yes, of course i dint HAVE to talk about my fathers death, BUT I felt it was worth the risk to show where i am coming from. i want t supernatural and souls and afterlives to exist, explaining my life and my fathers death shows how my personal life effects what i want to be true.

the proposition I put here is what every human being find themselves dealing with. it is a fact.

just like anyone else i have what i WANT to believe in, but then i have to differentiate between fiction and not fiction for each thought i have, proposition i make sentence i speak.
I am doing my best dealing with a reality that I wish was different like everyone else that is human being. every moment I HAVE to face that because my father had his injury when i was really young all the way till his death we didn't get the time and relationship normal people get with the person closest to them. do you know what it is like for a loved one to have every disc in their spinal cord crushed minus 3 of them? how that impacts life? day to day? seeing and feeling their suffering? I felt it each moment of my life and finally when he died he wasn't suffering, BUT all i had left was being with him in the afterlife again. that is all my options for getting to spend time like normal people do living life with the person that loved me and i was closest with.
what i want to believe , what i want ot be tue is that my father soul was set free from suffering , that we can be together agian but ghis time the way everyone else gets to with their father ( that loves them and very close with)
I dint even get into my mothers death because couldn't type anymore, I have reasons like everyone else that WE desperately want an afterlife to be real.
I am an atheist against my own will. the only thing i could do is try to Lie to myself about reality that it works differently where souls and afterlives could be possible, but i bleive in honesty with myself and others.

 

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That's my point, you don't need to be specific about who you lost and how to make a point about people wanting life after death.
You're not a bad guy in my story, you're just making your points.
And differiencate fictions in each thoughts you have is kind of an impossible challenge. I don't know even if you believe in science, if you don't believe in god religion or whatever, why and where this goes. I doubt it's possible, but even if it were it doesn't solve the problem of a presence of afterlife.
The fact that all your thoughts are non fiction can't possibly make life better, make it full of sense, or make the loss of loved ones feel less painfull.
How is one thing related to the other ?

 

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yes I know, I dont have to do ANYTHING here! right? no one is forcing me i get that. BUT (maybe it hasn't sunk in with you)

If my dad was just a normal person with normal life i would have felt like i got everything with him , I wouldn't NEED an afterlife like I do. Do you get it yet? that all over the world many people have worse situations besides the life you see on tv shows everyone running around healthy

at this point I have clarified where I think everyone can understand why i shared about my father, IF you don't go back and read, you haven't taken in a single sentence I have said yet so what exactly are we talking about? this comment is for those reading that care about that aspect of me whoever does not I have clarified.

 

I perfectly got it. You didn't.
You've proven to yourself that there is no afterlife. What does it change ? And again, my point with this question isn't to be a dick but you brought that by putting your father death in the center of the topic, so, now that you have convinced yourself of the absence of afterlife, now that you think there is no more fiction in your thoughts, do you feel better about the losses of your loved ones ? Do you accept it ?

And I don't want to be picky here, but for a guy without any fictional thoughts well you come up with a lot of fictional scenarios to make your point.

 

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Talmi, if we skip the wordings fiction, non-fiction and storytelling, would you at least agree that it can be worthwhile having a serious discussion about how we make a distinction between if something is real or not. If, for nothing else, the fun of it?

 

I really do not think you represented him accurately there lol, but I'll let him be the judge.

 

You haven't got it at all. I haven't proven to myself that there is no after life. the ways I was believing before was by not differentiating between fiction and not fiction. Once I began differentiating each thought on purpose between fiction and not fiction, those beliefs vanished against my will, my brain sorted it out on its own. I talk to people and make threads like this because I want to find a person that has a way to believe that is still differentiation between fiction and not fiction. by explaining my life with my fathers injury and his death , it shows people that and they might be more willing to share with me those beliefs which are still being able to differentiate between fiction and not fiction.
I thought all this was obvious because normally atheists act so different and present themselves differently, so IF i didn't want to be automatically thought of people believers in the same way as they see other atheists I would have to give more information about myself so they could know that about me. why this has not made sense to you I have no clue.





"now that you think there is no more fiction in your thoughts,"


again you dont get it, I have to evaluate EACH thought EVERY moment, EACH proposition or sentence EVERY moment.




"do you feel better about the losses of your loved ones ? Do you accept it"

feel better? i dont get what you mean by that.
do I accept it?
right now this moment death to me is a description of the permanent end of a human life



I am hoping to find what believers want to find though, the moment i take my last breath my father will be there smiling.

 

reality, the way people use it to describe their personal experience is what that picture is talking about.

 

Einstein as a Physicist was interested in Objective Reality...

 

The same applies to Heisenberg as well...