You have no idea how hurtful that is after i exposed myself in order to have the people have understand me better. and you use my fathers suicide to do this?

I have to takeee abrek

 

Dear Talmi. Maybe you would be less mad if you treated OP as a fictional character? Or you do not make those distinctions?

 

You and your pal (who isn't atheist, more a scientologist) didn't answer my arguments.
I've already told you and proven to you that the challenge is bias, because he has an answer in its formulation. I stopped when I understood you just wouldn't answer to that because you're unable to or unwilling, and let your friend go on in his lonesome monologue with himself, because well who the f..k cares ?
I think taskforce pretty much nailed it, and the absence of any important participation to this debate or in the polls (the forum has 1000s of members) by any one shows how vain it is. MJM2017 saw it too, so to spice things up he resorted to use videos against religions.
So the challenge becomes something else. Christians have to show they aren't idiots now.
You like it because well that's your belief and it's your right, but this is against our rules in the forum as much as being racist wether you like it or not. Which is why I say something, I'm happy it woke you up, I hadn't seen you in a while.

Change the debate title again, it should say : let religious members of the forum show they aren't idiot.

 

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I can't hold grudges with it. I am the one that made the decision to put the personal information and if he wants to abuse me with it , go ahead hurt me. You dont think I felt pain before? you give me your best shots. The people here will see what is happeneing with that and see a clear picture of me even if you dont.

go ahead laugh at me.

but guess what many many people here see that you are demonstrating my proposition.
that is to say what happens with human behavior when a fictional thought gets taken as reality

 

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Whatever man, though you should work on your hostility problems and stop reverting to personal attacks and drag in members relatives.

 

my proposition is not a philosophical argument or pre formulation.
It IS the position all human beings find themselves in from birth to death.
now if you want o show me false do it. take an exact sentence or proposition and quote it say " this is exactly why it is wrong" and just go wild listing mountains of demonstrable evidence in such a way as you and everyone can laugh at me and call me an idiot because I have been SHOWN exactly what is wrong with it where it is wrong and why.

 

the most important information related to this topic, that is the distinction between fiction and reality or to be more precise fiction vs non-fiction.
I want to be very clear there is a such thing as fiction. In this specific situation I am referring to fiction being any thought ,concept, idea, proposition or statement which cannot demonstrably be shown to be true in the context of reality. In fact fiction is the vast majority of thoughts, ideas, concepts, propositions, and statements and the tiny minority are ones that can be demonstrably shown to be true in reality,

Why is this important at all in any way?

Because there is a way human beings actually work regarding our thought process and our minds. our thoughts are made of words and symbols which are virtual not real , so for any meaning to be there, we have to be talking about those symbols representing something and reality is what the words are supposed to represent. next we human beings are stuck in a subjective experience of spending each moment inside of our mind, we are capable of misunderstanding and not accounting for all details of a situation which leads to fictional or false propositions ideas and thoughts statements. Reality is outside of us. In order for us to utter words strung together in a meaningful way those words have to accurately be describing that outside reality. in order for that to take place we have to have demonstrable evidence , meaning we have to test and probe reality to see what the answer is to a question then we can formulate a thought about how things actually work or what exists in reality.

This means when it comes to the topic of how can a thought, idea, concept or proposition EVER be true. It can only be true IF we have demonstrable evidence or data from reality itself that we form a proposition or thought based on in order to talk about how things actually work or what exists outside of our experience which is subjective.

 

Talmi. Did you read this post of mine to you?

Here

 

I haven't been convinced of that. Nor do I have to trust one word of your story about your parent loss. No offense intended of course, it's a part of your argumentation as to why people turn to fiction. And seeing the key of faith in grieving is mighty weird, it doesn't soly rely on the willingness to have an afterlife. It's very important in your argumentaton, which is entirely yours.

 

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this proposition exists within the context of a human beings perspective , how they can tell the difference between fiction and not fiction from their inner experience for which they operate .

 

They can't and neither can you.

 

The question is horribly formulated.

 

I had read and you said something I have already said. By language (which was a way to represent it), I meant and I have said that science is a mean to an end (you talk about process, to me and in human science it's a methodology) which is very usefull, but also has for limit its condition of production, and the fields it can apply.
It is not the new god, it's just a tool, a lot of people embrace it as a religion which is what this question and debate incorporate in essence in its formulation (non-fiction is what is measurable by science, that's a terrible definition of reality, I've showed that too)

 

I am not sure you read it all, since you really are smarter than to not miss my point completely. And you are missing the whole point of the topic by quite a long shot too. It is a shame. If you did understand it I don't think you would be as mad.

 

what the hell makes it okay for you to use my fathers suicide against me that is good morality to you? and yet you have created a storytelling of me being con artist and all this ?

it so bizarre to me why you don't list out exactly why and how I am wrong
why would someone need to resort to what you have? are you just a immoral person?
have i told anyone their parents death is fake? have i told anyone their scamming they dont really believe in god their lying? have i accused you of anything? like i posted earlier you created a fictional enemy image of me and are superimposing that concept on the me that actually exists .
lets say you thought i dont know anything about him.

WHY wouldn't you stick to the topic and show me wrong so that everyone sees you are the " winner" that showed me absolutely false?

everything you have posted recently is an exact example of the proposition, that is to say the things that tale place in reality, after a person accepts a fictional thought they didn't differentiate.

please explain in full detail why your current behavior is NOT an example of first you finding yourself in a moment, next you have a thought " his parents are alive, he is scamming blah balh,"
what was your demonstrable evidence, or even ANY reason you had to think this is what is real?
because what happened next was your actual behavior and choices to act , was made in the context that your thought WAS reality, you treated me AS IF the storytelling (with the good guy and the bad guy that deserves to be punished) was ACTUALLY real. do you see it yet? you went so far as to be certain that,me writing a long ass post about my father suicide because of his spinal cord injury was invented? AND you were so sure you would knowing choose to try and upsetting me by saying im literally crazy because of it?
If i am so CRAZY, why have you not demolished the proposition sentence by sentence of such a ignorant and crazy person?

 

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My problem is with the videos he posted. I don't care about the rest, I've already explained why.
I'm a bit bothered though, in the spirit of laicity and letting anyone embrace whatever he cares fo I'm not making an argument for it and I don't want to be hostile about it, that both of you are trying to convert people. Him to his new found religion, you to your atheism, and both with the idea that your making a service to humanity. I mean obviously like everyone on this forum I have my own beliefs in things but the only topic I would try to convert people would be politic (and we can't talk politics here so I don't even try, which is good), on most things, and it includes politics, it's next to impossible to move people away from what they believe, I'm not even sure it's right to do.

 

You'll do a lot for the peace of your mind and this thread if you just ignore Talmi.
He was just waiting for you to post anything that can be interpreted as attacks on others.
He doesn't know how to communicate politely whenever something triggers him.
Don't take him too seriously try not to engage him.
Despite probably being mentally capable to skip non audio threads, again and again we find him most passionate in controversial threads and when he cannot win arguments he calls local police to censor controversial non audio topics.

 

Mr Floyd is someone very interested in me (with Von Steyr of course), contrary to what he writes. He is a fan that knows me very well.

 

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oh, that clears so much up!

 

Talmi. I really think you should take a break from the forum. This it not a way to speak to anyone.