Tale of us lead sound

Discussion in 'how to make "that" sound' started by themask1005, Nov 2, 2016.

  1. themask1005

    themask1005 Newbie

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    Hey guy?
    Wanted to ask to the advanced sound designer here :) how to make this sound :)
    It starts at min 1.36 and is the lead sound from the whole track.
    Was wondering how to do it on Diva or maybe some of the arturia stuff?
    Will be great a little preset or if not I could try my hardest to follow your advices to achieve this :)


    Thank a lot
     
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  3. flyingsleeves

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    I would start off with a pulse wave on one oscillator and for the low end a square wave tuned an octave down on the other oscillator. Run them through a bandpass filter and assign it to your modwheel. You could add some resonance to add some sharpness if you like. You'll hear the effect you're after when you open and close the cutoff quickly. Also there's a very wide eighth note delay with not too much feedback. And there's some bending going on either with portamento or maybe just pitch bend. I think this is a good starting point.
     
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  4. themask1005

    themask1005 Newbie

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    Im retarded can't make it :(
    I know very little about sound design. could you try to do this?
     
  5. reliefsan

    reliefsan Audiosexual

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    Did you even try or did you give up just by reading a sudgestion?
    Comon now. dont be so hard on yourself

    Start over and do it again.

    it takes practice to get good at anything in life.
    Just keep at it!
     
  6. themask1005

    themask1005 Newbie

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    Oh man I been trying since yesterday but if I will share here a sample of the sound i got you will die of laughing
     
  7. themask1005

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    Im good at producing you know but when it come to design a sound god help me :(
     
  8. Backtired

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    I was trying to remake a basic thing like that in Sylenth. Keep in mind I want to learn too, so I just tried it myself although I'm not an expert at sounds

    So what I noticed is that there are two parts of the sound: one is the bass itself that has no modulation in the cutoff or anything crazy like the other part, is just the bass. The other part is a square/pulse or honestly I don't know, could easily be a mix of them and a saw, but the important factor is the envelope of the filter cutoff. I call it a reverse envelope because the filter opens during time, instead of closing. It's as if you were turning the filter cutoff knob to the right while playing a note, as you can hear that's what gives its, well I don't know how to call it, the sweep let's say. And then, finally, in some parts the notes overlap making them slide. I listened to only one part over and over and in this one there's a huge slide from a very high note to a low one and that's the other kind of sweep you can hear. Oh and another thing is that when the main cutoff sweep ends, it closes again. Or probably they used two synths or well there are a lot of possibilities here.

    You probably already know those things but I did this for myself too. Anyway, I tried with Sylenth with of course poor results. Here's what I got (try not to laugh). I couldn't make the portamento to work as I wanted to, so I didn't use it, but it was a fun "exercise" lol.

     
  9. themask1005

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    ok this it what I got so far without the filter cut off on the knob.

    Wha do Im doing wrong?
    Here is a screenshot
     
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    Is there a reason you insist on doing this with Diva? I'm not familiar enough with it to help you out. Why not try Sylenth? It's very user friendly and since you admit to not being good with sound design I think it would give you better results. This is a pretty simple sound and any synth with at least two oscillators should be able to recreate it. I can't play around right now, but I could send you my results in around an hour or two if you like. But first I really think you should try to figure it out yourself. I think I gave pretty decent instructions that anyone could follow. One mistake I noticed is that I don't think the bass oscillator is going throught the bandpass as well. It seems to stay consistent.
     
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  13. themask1005

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    I do not own sylenth1
    I like diva cause after I can create the same patch on the sub37 :) Following you instructions I come up with a very nice sound but totally different haha.
     
  14. themask1005

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    Amazing thanks a lot! wasn't sure about it :wink:
     
  15. focusrite

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    :mates:
     
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    I think it's very commendable that you aren't a pirate. I'm glad for trying to help you.

    Diva looks like a beast. It has a lot of stuff that I'm unfamiliar with. But I did notice a few things from your screenshot. The most important being the lack of the bandpass filter. This is the key to provide the effect you are looking for. It looks like you just have a lowpass. You also forgot to add a delay. I'm guessing you would just use the left and right without any center signal to make it sound wide. I'll remind you I'm unfamiliar with Diva so I'm not sure how accurately I can help you. Hopefully someone with more experience will jump in.

    There are many variations you could pull of with this idea. For example, add some grit with distortion or sharpness with resonance. You could go crazy trying to duplicate the lead exactly how it is in the song. Instead I would experiment with different shaped pulses to find the one that fits best within your own work.
     
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  17. jayxflash

    jayxflash Guest

    SynthMaster.mp3

    If the sound above is to your liking (there's alot of distortion inside the filter and after, with Soundtoys devil-loc), you need a synth that supports exp/log attack & decay curves (SynthMaster, Serum) or some sort of Modmap so you can transform a linear command into a exp one.

    I think Diva supports such behavior via some trick, must read the manual for that. Also the Multimode filter in Diva has bandpass.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. themask1005

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    I got the version of computer music mag of this synth. If I recreate this picture it will sound like that? The mp3 sounds pretty close :)
     
  19. jayxflash

    jayxflash Guest

    @themask1005 The whole point is to adjust the attack & decay times and the slopes as well as the envelope amount - and correlate them with the note length. Shorter notes will need a faster attack and viceversa.

    In my example Layer 1 is bandpassed, Layer 2 is just a simple square with low pass for the sustained note to pass through. If you have Logic, you can do it in Alchemy - any synth that can bend the attack & decay really.

    However, you can come out with your original sound out of this - it's quite the way to go. Good luck!
     
  20. themask1005

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    True!! indeed I did!! Im so happy :mates:
     
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