My Win10Pro Journey

Discussion in 'Software' started by thantrax, Jul 1, 2016.

  1. Ankit

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    It's useless to talk to a person who has not experienced the topic himself. Believe in rumors. Have a nice day. :thanks:
     
  2. Qrchack

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    Allright. Let's go one by one.

    Basically the fact that apps on Windows aren't packaged in one file and all the DLLs and stuff are all over the place. That isn't a problem with Windows 10 specifically, that's a design choice back from Windows 9x era. Windows 7 has the same problem.

    Again, the fact you're not forced to save photos in your "Photos" folder and music in your "Music" folder isn't Windows 10 fault, that's a design decision from decades ago. Besides. It's not a phone, it's a desktop. I want to place stuff where I need to and organize as I like so I know where my stuff is by my standards. And I'll take a wild guess most people want to put stuff however they want and not have to open "Photos" app and import to the library to view a random image on your pendrive.

    The $USER directory in Windows 10 by default has 12 folders - Contacts, Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Favorites, Links, Music, OneDrive, Pictures, Saved Games, Searches and Videos. All of those are around since Vista, through 7, 8, 8.1 up to 10. Oh God, what an inexplicable mess that is, save us all from the disaster of having 12 folders in a directory you'll never open anyway.

    This guy has been around for ages as well, I can definitely remember it being in XP already, so possibly it's even older. Again - that's why you can run old software in newer versions of Windows, and that's a consequence of choices made back in Win9x days - not some disaster that came from Windows 10

    Well, safe mode is supposed to disable all the drivers when you screwed up and downloaded the wrong one. Not to help you fight viruses. That's what an antivirus is for. Besides, that's still a thing that applies to all versions of Windows

    Already outdated, they bash Windows 10 because you had to download updater app, couldn't just download ISO and install clean. Now you can very easily, as with any edition of Windows. Actually with Windows 10 it's even easier - for the first time anyone can just go on Microsoft website and download ISO of any edition of Windows 10, in any language, just like that. During the install you just type in your product key and you're good to go (or click enter later and then you have 30 days to activate - just like it's been since XP)

    The user is not a system administrator, that's what changed from Vista onward. The prompt if you want to allow the program to change something is what switches you to admin, everything else is restricted and can't even write files in Program Files (means some programs can't even save settings without being run as admin, unless you dig into settings and change folder permissions on it). "users don't and won't understand" is not a valid excuse - that's why it's a simple Yes/No box. Wanted to change something, click yes, didn't want to change something, click no. It's definitely better than XP days and every program being able to do everything.

    Again, is that a problem of Windows 10? MSI is just a technology of installers, tons of apps use it instead of good old InstallShield. Developers are free to choose something different to make their installers. Heck, even software on XP often comes in MSI format.

    There is Windows Update, which in Windows 10 now can update your drivers, Office and several other things. Not having a central updater for other programs is a choice that's been made again, decades ago on Win9x. They didn't want (and couldn't do because Internet wasn't yet a thing) a central store with updates for everything. That's what Apple did.

    In the case of Windows 10 it's extremely easy. Install fresh Windows on your laptop, let it sit for like 10 minutes and you come back to your computer that has automatically found your drivers and grabbed the latest version for you.

    In Windows 10 there is a "Startup" section in the task manager, which shows you what apps are being run at boot and how much they impact your startup time. You can disable that stuff from there with one click.

    Not a Windows specific problem, also usually boot problems that are too fatal are usually bad drivers crashing the kernel. Which you can get around by just booting in safe mode and removing them. No need to reinstall. Every single case of Windows 8.1/10 crashing I had was misbehaving, poorly written drivers that crashed the OS. Besides, this is not a Windows 10-specific issue.

    Windows is hardware dependent? Have you ever seen Mac OS X? Windows from the first days was created to support everything. It's Mac OS X that uses NVRAM (basically special RAM which has some memory which doesn't disappear after you turn off your computer) and stores serial numbers and settings in it. It's Mac OS X that doesn't support TRIM on non-Apple SSD drives. And you say Windows is hardware dependent... the heck?

    Okay... I'm done for now, that's like half of the points from the article. None of them were about Windows 10 specifically, most were valid only because of how Windows is in general, not because of Windows 10. Some were outdated already, and the rest (safe mode, svchost, debugging) was total geeky stuff that most people don't and shouldn't care about. Yeah, maybe developers should. But musicians? Especially when we're talking whether or not Windows 10 is a good option for an audio production setup.
     
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  4. Talmi

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    Once upon a time....

    .... there was a project called Longhorn (1). Never heard about it? It was a Microsoft revolutionary approach (no joke, Microsoft) to OS: no more Windows 2000, no more ME, no more XP. It would have been something new, an early (really early) version of LCARS. It has been a dream because Steve Ballmer killed the project... for Vista. Yes. Microsoft Vista: an epic business failure (2), worse than the forgot ME.

    Almost one year after the release of Vista, MS launch the new Windows 7, the OS installed on almost 50% of PC (2).

    OK. The technology evolves and smartphones are powerfull enough to be used as internet terminal. So... the MS egg-heads decide to change the business model and the end of OS as it was. Then the big idea: one OS for every device (...like Apple...).

    Windows 8 was the result. Windows 8,1 was its big fix (a huge service pack). Then Windows 10... wait a minute... 10?… what about 9? No number 9: it’s not good enough for a marketing tagline and they needed something to mark a breaking point. So… Windows 10 was on market.

    Some years ago.

    Redmond, Washington, USA
    Early morning - Imagine the MS brainstorming:

    - How to sell something not so new?
    - We could give it for free!!!
    - Free?
    - Yes. We at Microsoft,
    - Bullshit. We are americans, not russian comrades. We are capitalists and we live to make money.
    - We could set a deadline and until that day we will count the installations (and automatic activations) so we could say: it has been installed 100M times.
    - And what about roll-backs? No counter?
    - No, bad idea for marketing.
    - And how we should make money? It is not new and it is not free, isn’t it?
    - We could collects users data. What they eat, what they wear, where they live.. and then sell all so we could live like in Minority Report. Every shop knows us and suggest what someone else had decided for us. Tycoons will love it, Politicians will love it.
    - Cool. I like that movie.
    - ...

    Present day.

    Microsoft charging for Windows 10! Gertie, buy a shotgun!

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    I’ve been trying to avoid this, but it looks like I can’t.

    Yes, there’s an article on Forbes that says “Microsoft Confirms Windows 10 New Monthly Charge.” No, I won’t link to it. It’s up to nearly 700,000 hits at this point, and that’s enough. (I’m in the wrong business, I guess.)

    The short observation is that Microsoft has ALWAYS charged companies for the Enterprise version of Windows. This is no exception. In fact, if anything, it’s a major discount from what’s been charged before – depending on how you look at it.

    Mary Jo Foley at ZDNet has the real story.

    Wes Miller, @getwired, knows more about Microsoft licensing than any ten lawyers alive. Here’s his take.

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    He’s quite literally correct — Microsoft has charged annual fees for Enterprise licenses forever, but they’re not subscription fees. Software Assurance “can perhaps be considered a subscription… but it really isn’t, as you retain some perpetual rights.”

    UPDATE: As noted in the comments by b, there’s really no difference between a subscription payment and an annual fee. It’s a question of what’s in the contracts.

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    (1) Project Longhorn
    (2) OS market share
     
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    The End.

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    The day has come. Windows 10 Pro goes by and Windows 7 Pro takes back its throne. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. It's like a t-shirt bougnt only 'cause it was cheap, not 'cause it was fine or useful. The phrase "don't fix it if it's not broken" is perfect to explain the choise for a Windows 7 user like me

    Anyway there are some pro:
    - It's fast (*)
    - It seems lighter (*)
    - It's has Candy Crush Soda Saga

    and there are much more cons:
    - It's not complete and I fear it will never be (like the F35 avionics software... millions of code-line to be written)
    - The UI is flat (in a 3D world is so hilarious)
    - It's not new (it's related to Windows 8.x)
    - It was not free, it's not free and it never will be

    P.S.
    I don't think to be the only one turning back before the 10th annyversary update (another huge service pack, like Windows 8.1?) but, I'm sure, Microsoft will never tells about the roll-backs counts.


    Best of luck to Windows 10 users :)

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    (*) maybe ‘cause IE has beed kicked out and it use less graphical fx?
     
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  7. Talmi

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    Welcome back with us, I'm glad you found the strenght to stay away from the dark path. :rofl:
     
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