Of course, as long as I get the option to bang the singer and the groupies.

Judging by your character/social skills, I will be amazed if you ever have a successful collab with anyone.

 

Sorry guys, you heard the man.

I am the one in charge now. If you want to hear the song you'll have to send me pictures of your cats.

 

Chicken.

Jokes apart, come on, man. Post the song.

We're curious to know how much weight does the vocal/lyrics/melody holds in your specific case.

Anyway, I'm expecting to have my mind blown apart by your masterpieces. Don't disappoint me!

 

Talking about chicken, you made me remember this one (thanks!):

https://dl-web.meocloud.pt/dlweb/do...3?public=41575b10-8756-47e9-b04a-fc3211d426d7


I've done my part (?!?) now, let's hope we don't have to wait much longer till you do yours.

 

You're far more optimistic then me.

But hey if he doesn't post this one we only have to wait 6 short weeks for the next to be drawn in.

 

Since you're posting two versions and one has vocals, here's one with doubled vocals:

https://dl-web.meocloud.pt/dlweb/download/IS - Woodshed.mp3?public=c76457a4-2d64-41dc-adbc-ca188553f593

Is it fair now? Do I have to post the ridiculous pun-driven lyrics about lumber and filling holes or are we good?

 

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Looks like OP fled the scene.

 

I was waiting for the OP to post the track (or at least that section of it that had this vocal part), but...

...but it's quite simple, really: the others here are right. Every contribution that ends up in the track has to be - and dude, that is a very strong, powerful legal "has to be" - credited.

Do not get into a collaboration if you do not wish to share credit, or at least get the legalities of credit-sharing sorted out first.

Cheers!

 

Damn you "Kermit", you ripped off MY shit. It's true...I wrote those "cocka doodle doo" lyrics at the beginning of that song and you stole it. (some of my best work too....gone )!!

 

I'd say the exact opposite, never ever entrust your freedom to those organizations (ASCAP, BMI, ...), they'll rob you of 97% of your profit, and you also end up with no distribution rights to your work. The way these corps operate is beyond evil (beyond Electronic Arts and Comcast evil), light years away from average Joe's morale and ethical standards.
Think about copyrighting your songs before putting them to the internet, and consider Creative Commons license - for your average track you could use BY-NC-ND 3.0 . Having "All Rights Reserved" is rather archetypal and shows something of your personality and goals to your fanbase. It's always better to have some windows open in your house of music

 

I am a member of ASCAP. I do register my songs. If somebody decides to steal my work (not likely-might be sort of flattering), it just gives me a legal place to start, because there is a date on my registered recordings. In theory, even though my songs are on soundcloud, I still own the rights to my own things as far as someone else using reproductions. ASCAP only got a small registration/membership fee from me, and I am still sole writer and producer of my own songs, to do with as I please. It just means if you want to use anything, you are supposed to ask me or go through ASCAP.

 

It's not so simple and collecting agencies do have some pros. It really depends who you are. If you are, say, a song writer who has songs out there with some radio airtime, you'll owe your monthly income to those organizations. In short, if you're an artist who is successful with old-fashioned distribution channels like tv, radio or physical distribution, or if you're successfully licensing your work to third parties, those collecting agencies will provide for a major part of your revenue.
If you're a nobody with no airtime, or if you're an artist who makes music that's not played on radio or who utilizes distribution means from the 21st century, you're better off without them.
For me, the major reason because I'm not a member of my local organization is twofold: 1.: I'm a nobody ;) and 2.: my local agency always represents your complete works. So if I'd like to give out a free song to everybody who signs up for my newsletter on my homepage (which I do), I'd have to pay a certain amount for every single copy of the song I give out. Well, 1200 downloads are free. Yay! Those regulations, and several more, are really like from the last century.

So I wouldn't put it in such radical words as @Andrew : They don't rob you of your profit. If your distribute royalties don't exceed your membership fees, the membership might be the wrong business decision. But this really is the only scenario where you wouldn't see any money. And you'll always have all distribution rights to your work. You just have to play by the rules that ensure your income, if you should decide to become a member of such collecting agencies.

But generally speaking, some heads need to roll in those agencies and they need to be revolutionized.
The latest development in Germany almost put an early death to the very vibrant non-commercial, underground clubscene in Berlin because the german collecting agency GEMA raised the fees significantly (about 10x) and many clubs could not bear this financial impact.
This is an example why the position for those agencies in a modern musical world is at least debatable.

@tulamide this mailing-yourself-your-own-music is a common misconception and won't hold up in court. The reason is that the fact that a registered letter is registered says nothing about the contents of that letter. The only court-proof practice is notarial depositation of your music.

@rhythmatist the reason that you're able to post your music on soundcloud is most likely that soundcloud pays fees for music posted on soundcloud to ASCAP.

 

@fraifikmushi - My experience derives from local agencies too. In fact I don't have any experience with ASCAP or BMI, but the locals are to put it mildly, "infuriating". On some occasions, they're even breaking constitution.

 

That is not enough my friend.
Im with BMI and can tell you that your material needs to be copyrighted as well.
In court you need both the info that is supplied from your PRO and the song itself from the copyright organisation thats keeps it in the "vault".

 

Andrew i feel you,but unfortunately when you want to work globally its the easiest and safest way.
I know all about the foul play of some of the agencies,but you have to realise this world isnt fair to start with,its all about connections,who knows who and who owns who,its all about money and power.
These organisations are sadly the way to go if you want to get your business done,its a jungle i agree.

 

@Von_Steyr - No it's not - it's just the most widely used.
It's about connections, but agreements don't discriminate - those are binding to both parties.
Just because to some, world "isn't fair" doesn't mean I should support such people, that's one step from supporting terrorism (no exaggeration)
You can still get your business done through individual agreements with independent labels. Lots of artists in my area work this way.
Or simply act as a copyright holder only in case of violation - no preemptive strikes.

 

@Andrew
Some also claim that poor mans copyright by sending mail to yourself is all they need.
Hey,if it works for you the way it does than its all good.
I got burned doing business the way you do and lost a lot of money,once and never again.

 

SoundCloud says I'm not supposed to post my songs because they are registered with a license organization, but I don't really care. I don't put all my stuff there, and to me it's just a form of free promotion. They haven't told me to cease and desist. If somebody steals something and makes money, some sharks are always willing to get involved. If by chance I got some promotion because somebody stole something, there's more where that came from. If Pete Townsend doesn't like my version of a Who song, I can use the publicity. I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to do that without permission. My version must be different enough that their software hasn't recognized it. I only need about a 100 X the 2000 or so plays I have to get somebody interested, I think.

 

Am I the only one a tad annoyed at OP for not posting the track, even though he promised to do so...?

After all we've gone through with this thread...