hi

frankly, i'm fucking getting sick and tired of the what is it now the uuuber fuuuucktared UI of the Kontakt vsti'. That ui is now totally outdated and NI did nothing in fucking YEARS to improve it or overhaul it into more modern workflow approach to recent standards. I can't believe such an important market of kotakt libraries that are out there is being hijacked with kontakt and that we are forced to use that fucktarded ui the current version of kontakt has. every time im working in a project and has more than one libraries loaded in kontakt, the what is killing me is that FUCKTARDED LOGIC of creating the multi channel outputs; even after years of use it is still confusing me...

the question is: are there any ALTERNATIVES to kontakt ? i still want to keep using all my kontakt libs but dont want to see anymore the face of the FUCKTARDED ui that dates of 2006.

does NI have any plans to make a new version of kontakt with a totally overhauled UI ???

 

how is it difficult for you to create multi outputs. if you don't want to have multi outs and have more creative control. just stick with stereo.

if your gripe is the fact that the UI hasn't been updated in years. then i don't see the problem, no other ui's by NI have changed. wouldn't expect kontakt to do that in the future.

 

Why don't you just save a 16 multiple outs as your default? Then whichever version of Kontakt you open, standalone or plugin, it will open as a multiple out with 16 outputs ready to go. I find the UI pretty good and straightforward and use up to 30-35 instances of Kontakt in orchestral film score templates I have with no issues. I don't see much that needs to change personally.

 

every time i load up a new library inside the active instance of Kontakt i have in my project, i want its audio output in a new stereo channel strip (S1 v3); so that i can hang on it other compressors, eq's and send it to reverb bus etc.. so i have full custom control of the sound of that library. that 'outputs' interface and 'add channels' button is bloated with unnecessary feature clutter, the creation of multiple channel outputs in Kontakt should happen much simplier than that, (ie: check how it is easy to add multiple outputs in Superior Drummer 2 and then assign each instrument (kd, snare, hh, toms etc to each of them)

if NI has no plans to completely redo Kontakt in the near future, then that is something very sad to hear, because we will remain to use that PIECE OF SHIT which Kontakt is that dates of 2002-2005 for several other years,; until some competitor / dev / brand will take it over and will bring new sampling lib standards with a modern UI and workflow approach so everyone would move to it and BURRY KONTAKT IN HELL.

 

Last edited: Jan 22, 2016

can you elaborate a bit deeper what you do? i'm using the standard Kontakt vsti (not the multi 16 or 8), each time i have to manually create outputs to which i then assign a library that i load in this instance of Kontat; i have tried to use more than one instance of Kontakt; but for some reason it will crash S1 when i attempt to load more than one instance of Kontakt; thats why i have to deal with the multi output lameshit in Kontakt. tia

 

Yes, Kontakt's GUI hasn't been "modernized" or made-over since version 2 or 3, but why don't you make some suggestions as to how it should be, for the sake of modernized/updated workflow, to be both specific and constructive?

Have you looked at Best Service's Engine's GUI? It makes me dizzy to try to navigate it; Kontakts's is a lot user-friendlier. If NI were to re-model the GUI of Kontakt substantially, or even fundamentally, the backward compatibility would go out the window, and since Kontakt is so popular with users and developers (many of whom pay substantial licenses to NI), they probably figure, "If it ain't broke, don't be fucktarded and fix it."

 

MOTU MachFive 3.

Better UI
Better Workflow
Better Sounds

Universal sample library support
Use sounds from any other sampler, from today or yesteryear

MachFive 3 directly loads every major sample format. From Giga to EXS, SampleCell to Kontakt, Apple Loops to REX files, all major 3rd-party formats load without any conversion, saving you tons of time and headache. You can even load disc-based formats like Roland S-700 or Kurzweil K2xxx. Load right off the CD, or make disk images of them to access the sounds without the CD in your drive. MachFive offers you the chance to finally consolidate all of your sample formats into a single, convenient front-end.
http://www.motu.com/products/software/machfive/sounds.html

 

great!.., but its not out cracked for win

 

yeah man i know what you mean, let it all out and i suggest you to say good bye for a while to come down.
im also very concerned about interfaces these days, theres a lot to improve out there. i use lives Sampler often, its semi easy to use it and make your own multi layer patches.
otherwise i can not say anything else or give a good tip on samplers. i tend to avoid kontakt. to be honest at the moment i avoid most software as its 60% very unintuitive.

what i like is ableton live 9, and some vsts, that are simple but cool.
i like some hardware synths and samplers, why dont you get one of these old samplers like Ensoniq EPS 16, or ASR+? They are very cool to use and you dont have to stare on a screen all the time! Maybe they dont have the top notch string libraries or so but there are a ton of samples out there that you can use with a drive (i can give you a good contact to get you going on that stuff)

i think you have to get used to this sofware fight sometimes.- you have to win, and conquer the software. people wrote it, its not perfect. and to defend NI, they did a good job on the newest Battery (looks quite cool, huh?)

 

Would wish the standalone to go fullscreen and that plugin not go offscreen so much that it cannot be exited without much manipulation. Yet, it is extremely stable for me. I never understood some of their decisions to stop supporting some of their best libraries, but, wtf do I matter to them. Ah the arrogance of being number 1.

 

So... complaining about stuff one didn't purchased is the new "normal"?

 

when it is a fucking matter of a plugin that is essential and that i enjoy it using everyday, a software or even a game whose quality does deserve and worth the penny; i would fucking purchase it. in this case, with Kontakt, i will NOT.

i already own an UAD2 Quad and UAD2 solo with a bunch of plugins; if S1 was not €389, but like .. umm €249 i would have bought it, if MANY other plugins were not fucking priced €249, but €129 instead or €49 instead of €99 or even LESS, i would have bought them already.. etc that's for the pleasure of the benefit of receiving updates and not having a headache trying to find them cracked on AZ.. etc

so, i will remain feeding off AZ and testdrive software i feel comfortable with and whose quality do deserve to be paid and thanks goodness to Audioutopia and R2R for making available that software to us., should i remain you that my only source is AZ, i simply ignore all other music software who doesn't appear on AZ, and they can go fuck themselves with their pathetic protection lameshit.

further more, the day i will make my first €10k off music, i fucking swear I *WILL* purchase all licenses of most of cracked vsti/software i'm using now.

 

Last edited: Jan 22, 2016

It's your money, feel free to spend it how you want. But then have the decency to stop acting like you do. Asking something like "hey guys, is there a way to make kontakt open with multichannel enabled?" is a more decent approach than "NI must burn in hell". Because, you see, you're using a cracked DAW and you can't use either multichannel variant of the VST either multiple Kontakt instances - which one or another would solve almost entirely your problem. And I wonder, how on Earth is NI responsible for this? You see how your issue is a non-issue for many of us here?

 

You set up the multiple outputs as it shows in tons of videos on YouTube, and then save it using this option in the video below. It will then open with this output configuration whenever you open Kontakt:

 

Last edited: Jan 23, 2016

we are in fucking 2016,; and NI Kontakt as it is now dates from the STONE AGE AREA, it is NI's fault, if they will keep like that, they will DIE and ROT IN HELL the day when another sampler maker brand/dev will put out a sampler vsti with a modern and BETTER UI.

 

Not just Best Service either. Look at other samplers like UVI, HALion etc etc. All are way more confusing than Kontakt.

 

I would disagree with it being NIs fault for any issues. Kontakt is THE most valuable asset in the composing and film score World, used by all the big studios etc within their DAWs to make mockups of film scores. If Kontakt was "bad" then it would not have this position. I think it is a case of "if it's not broke then why fix it?" I feel they don't particularly need to do anything really to it, and they probably won't until a competitor brings out a very innovative approach nobody has thought of or there is a significant leap in the technology. Don't forget, they are modifying and updating it, but mostly things in the background. Personally, being rock solid and stable is much more important to me than looking pretty. Also, they are developing it, just in ways you would necessarily realise, like the recent technology they implemented to allow Kontakt libraries to speak with their Komplete Kontrol 'S' range keyboards to show highlighted areas etc on the keyboard itself.

Also, in terms of modulating and modifying things @ArticStorm, you should check out custom scripts like WIPS and SIPS. You can essentially modify Kontakt to do almost anything you want by importing custom scripts.

 

Last edited: Jan 23, 2016

@Bunford However is funny seeing OP preaching the end of NI )

 

I agree that the Kontakt UI could really use an overhaul in some areas.
It needs some time to get familiar with, especially when creating your own stuff.
It can get fiddly with the very small and non-resizable controls, and I hate the fact that the whole sample mapping has to be done in a stamp-sized zoom area while that could easily be expanded to a fullscreen popup window. Also, the layer and group selection could be more intuitive and more intelligent, maybe with an additional view that won't let multiple layers overlap so in the end you only see one block of mud and you have to memorize your whole mapping logic instead of being able to visually pick the ones you're looking for. Colors would also be great in this case.
I could go on and on, who knows, maybe some NI guy reads this, but in the end I don't see any alternative to Kontakt.
Over the years, NI has put a respectable amount of work into it, it's a stable, efficient and very flexible sample player that is second to none.
IMHO, the built-in FX, the incredibly powerful scripting engine and the fast/realtime ncw compression is something you won't get in any other sampler.
I very much dislike the monopolistic approach of paying a fee to let NI encrypt a commercial library, but in the end it's the sample library developers who asked them to do it.
There are many other great samplers on the market, many of them might suffice for most applications, but if you want the most options inside one instrument, I cannot recommend any other one than Kontakt.