Hi guys,

I have been trying to assign two CC to one controller using Kontakt but haven't find any way yet.

For instance I want CC1 and CC11 to be assigned to the mod wheel so that both CC would change at the same time but, as expected, it automatically cancels the earlier one and assign the newest one to mod wheel.

Is there any trick to do this kind of assignment whether in Kontakt or S1 (v3)?

Let me know please.
Gratitudes!

 

I don't know what the point of that is but I did it simply on Kontakt in FL Studio using MIDI OUT. I am not a big fan of external ones but I think it would be true using externals too.

 

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Studio One - S1 (v3). I posted my query in Studio one sub forum mate

You did it - great. Why did you do it? I mean I want to assign two CCs' so that I could control both with one controller (mod wheel/knob/fader).
How did you do it in kontakt in FL? May be the method is same everywhere.

Edit: Oh I see you have edited your post while me posting mine. FL midi out has a lot of potential. You can use BRSO articulate by Blake Robinson instead of midi out for changing articulation as well.

 

I don't know S1, but one can assign any number of mappings to a Ableton Live Rack (or Logic Pro smartcontrol) and further assign the rack/smartcontrols to Kontakt. Maybe you can assign some sort of S1 macro button to both destinations in Kontakt then assign that Macro to Modwheel or whatever fader you want to use?

 

Thank you. Not sure but it's a good idea. While I will have a look if somebody else has a tried and tested method in S1 or Kontakt, please let me know.

 

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I don't think so but:

1- Load one MIDI OUT and one Kontakt to the channel rack.

2- MIDI OUT default port number is 0 (you can change it but here you don't need it), then simply set the Input port of Kontakt in the wrapper setting of it to 0 for connecting MIDI OUT to Kontakt (You can load any number of MIDI OUTs).

3- Load one of the presets of MIDI OUT for example "Basic".

4- Right click on any knob or slider inside Kontakt and select "Learn MIDI CC# Automation". By doing this, Kontakt is waiting for any CC to assign it to that knob or slider.

5- Inside MIDI OUT click on any knob you want and turn it right (no need to set the exact CC number to be detected by Kontakt by configurations). By turning the knob in MIDI OUT you would see that the knob or slider inside Kontakt is moving.

That's it. You can do that more than once by right clicking in Kontakt, selecting "Learn MIDI CC# Automation" and assigning any knob in MIDI OUT to it but port numbers should be matched.

MIDI OUT plays the role of the external controller to the VSTs but does it internally. It's a trick that image-line has used.

 

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Looks like a viable method for FL users. But main info is in your second last para regarding port number. Will try to find that in S1. Thank you.

 

An universal method is to use a "MIDI translator" program/plugin.

Plugin: PIZmidi conversor plugin

Program: Bome's MIDI Translator Pro or TransMIDIfier: more difficult but more powerful. With these you have to route MIDI data from origin (controller) to the program, inside the program you can make all kind of MIDI magic. The output MIDI must be routed to the DAW.

And if you want it only for Kontakt:

Orange Tree Samples Mind Control

 

I have used Bome before. It's good. It allows doing programmatically to some extent like procedural languages such as C. It's ideal for the developers.

PIZmidi is also good (modular VSTs).

The musicians would tend to simplicity with their gears. Unfortunately MIDI has never been an easy package to deal with. Old but I doubt you can find people here that comprehensively understood it even the developers (they're using the provided libraries most of the time).

 

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Good point. On the other side, as virtual instruments become more complex and MIDI controllers more powerful users with programming skills can do wonders with these programs. A place where you can find advanced users of these MÇIDI tools is vi-control forum, which makes total sense.

There are a couple of MIDI programmable VST's but they're directly for programmers: Cockos ReaJS (the independent VST version from reaPlugs) and Blue Cat Audio Plug'n Script. Besides they are multi purpose (audio and MIDI).

I'm digging a lot in this topic because I use a lot of complex virtual instruments (virtual guitars like Kontakt Prominy, Orange Tree Samples, Ample Sound) and I'm looking for a way to unify and simplify the great number of keyswitches. I don't know yet if it's worth it.

 

@ed-enam
Ed,did you figure it out?
I have added a Cmc-Qc to my setup,cant tell you how tremendously this things sped up my workflow and automation.
It is esentially a Cubase midi tool for EQing,quick control assignment and general midi learn device.
I tried it with S1 and it works as a general midi controler for quick asignments inside the DAW.
Its small,fits right next to the keyboard.

 

No man, may be due to limitation of my knowledge. Thanks for head up, will have a look.