hey there.
i know there are much threads about the quality of FL and Logic.
The style is Hardstyle, EDM or generic Electronic music
And i make some scoring stuff, Orchestra with Kontakt Libs

I made a direct compare.
3 Synth Layered: 1 Nexus 2 Sylenth.
With EQ, Reverb, Sidechain, comp, delay and EQ. (Pumping effect)

in FL the sound is ok. But when i hear the lead 5 minutes i get headaches. I can eq so much.
I get just fizzling highs and mud
And the most important thing: The room is full. i have no space no room nothing to add kicks and bass or hats ....
i know: EQ = Room and Space. but in FL it is so limited. Everything is muddy and the sounds cant be located.
No plugin on the master!

So i rebuild my 3 synths step for step in Logic with the same plugins and same effects.
Voila, every synth is cryspy, has nice treble and the most important:
I HAVE SPACE. i can add every instrument i want, maybe phat snares or something and with that real phat 3 synth layer, every instrument can still be located.

For example a standard Nexus Lead (ok no good example) but it sounds completly different in Logic, without plugins

So i would say, im not doing it wrong. Because the sound is perfect in Logic.
Warm, airy (space) and crispy.

please, anyone can tell me, why i can not make good sounds in FL. ?
I love FL, i know FL.
I dont have so much time to learn Logic, automation, filtering routing....

Thanks for reading

 

Last edited: Nov 18, 2015

okey,

i had almost the same experience as you,

it is not easy to explain but, Logic has a better Audio engine (if you don't know fl that well you wont know the truth) allot of people will say i'm wrong, but i've been using FL Studio for so long, that i know almost every aspect of it, anyway don't get wrong and stop lying to yourself, FL Studio Has the wrost Quality out of the box, i'm not saying that you can't get a pro quality out of it, no you CAN, but you really have to know how to use it,

FIRST OF ALL,

- Forget about image line FXs, what i use from FL Studio Stock plugins is, the Delay 2 & maybe maybe sometimes EQ2 (in some very rare cases), use anything from Fabfilters to Waves it works well.
- Try to mix from the Plugin's Gain/Master Volume, i rarely use the Mixer's Faders, usually i use it later to perfect my mixing...
- Another tip, the less the better my friend, don't just put stuff cause you think it should be there, if you need an EQ use an EQ if you need a compressor use one but not all the time...
- Use the Built-in EQ from the Mixer, when it comes to cut high and low freq. i use it, and always use it to give my mix some room but putting the mid fader of the EQ to -3dB to -6dB, i don't use this all the time, but it works, when you are working with allot of sounds...
- put the Master Fader on -6dB not the mixer's Master, the one on the top...

other that this it depends on your skills,

check this, not my best, but it was produced and mixed inside Frooty...



https://soundcloud.com/sergentcaesar/oliver-heldens-shaun-frank-shades-of-grey-ft-delaney-jane-remix-v3/s-hVDFp

good luck bro if you have more question MP me.

 

Thanks for your feedback.
I´m using FL since 2003 :D
I made a lot of tracks.
80 % just for fun.
Quality became better and better. i like the workflow from FL
The quality is not bad. Most people doesnt even notice it.
But it really gonna starts to annoy me.


Thank you dude

EDIT: Your style is nice.

The Sound. Its very clear, but a bit cold. And this is FL. It sounds cold
Same as my sound.
Maybe that the big artists which use FL send their stuff to some Hardware Master Racks.
But i dont have some.

i think i start working with Logic.
I already have my 3 Layer Synth and my Kick :D

 

Last edited: Nov 18, 2015

I use both (Logic at School, FL Studio on my personal setup) and theres really no difference. I write things at school then load them into Fl studio and they sound the same and I can continue working on my song. I think if there's a noticeable difference between them, your Mac and Windows are probably setup differently (sound card Issues, Asio configuration, etc)

 

same soundcard.
Delta 1010lt.

on mac there is another driver, sure.
but like mrlyanmusic says too, there are differences out of the box.

How do you load your stuff from logic to FL?
CAUSE: When i export my stuff as wav from Logic and import it in FL it sounds good too.

greetings :

 

https://www.image-line.com/support/FLHelp/html/app_audio.htm
really worth a read

(oh and btw if you load synths into FL they are quieter as in other DAWs (nothing you can't change with a simple fader/knob), might be a factor in your test)

 

each plugin or sample, has it's own fader, or volume knob, by defaults, it is turned down, that's why it is quieter...

 

fl studio is for kids

 

yeah that's basically what I said

 

I love the 1010lt, I used one for years its a swiss army knife. I think Nitrophos has a point. the 1010 is a little dry when I compared it to using a guitar rig 2 (as an interface) and even more so when I upgraded to an rme. your 1010, as much as I love it, might be more sensitive to the "loudness war" which FL STUDIO IS HUGE FOR.. oops sorry, didn't mean to scream, but any time I type FL STUDIO MY CAPS LOCK. lol I don't know why
I also use two daw, some differences of course but hardware is a good point

 

after you edited your comment

 

I used fl studio for my main daw and I have compared it with CUBASE 5, CUBASE 8, LIVE, PRO TOOLS 10 and BITWIG and after using synths like serum and nexus and waves I do not hear any difference!

The point is the type of sound that I want to hear, I can create in any daw.

 

It's either placebo or you're doing something wrong (like leaving Fruity Limiter on the 2-bus).

There is also a difference between the summing engine during render and during real-time streaming.

Aside from possibly panning law settings, there is no difference in the summing engines of any modern DAW. There are exception cases like (legacy) Ensoniq PARIS that deliberately had DSP on every track which was non-removable, but every major DAW today is designed to sound flat and neutral. And they are.

 

no placebo effect.
Maybe the soundcard.

Its not EDM or electronic stuff only.
When i have 3 Kontakts with spitfire stuff. The room is full.
Sounds are well equalized. But you can not allocate the sounds anymore.
So i have to go with some stereo tool.
In Logic every sound can be located, because i have more space, or headroom or something.

 

There is something wrong with your setup.

 

if its a headroom issue then make sure you're giving enough headroom in the mix in both programs. also, maybe kontakt is configured differently between the setups.

 

I had a similar experience when working with Maschine and Logic. Usually, I work with Maschine in stand alone mode for the sake of workflow. And I always have a hard time getting more depth in the mix.

At one time I was working on a Remix, so I had to load Maschine as a Software Instrument inside Logic in order to be able to work with the Vocal. The Beat was already finished and I just routed the audio from Maschine to Logic and I instantly noticed that the sound was more open and had more spatial depth without changing any parameters.

I don't know anything about Audio Engines, but from what I experienced I can co-sing the OP's experience.

 

Export identical projects (same project sample rate, bit depth, velocity/MIDI, etc etc in both FL and Logic) to lossless WAV/AIFF, with exact gain-staging and some 6dB headroom on the master, and we will all listen and decide/make up our mind.

If not, I call BS.
This has been done to death.
/thread

 

Last edited: Nov 19, 2015

after working for a decade orso with FL i switched to logic cause i changed to macbooks, after a few years i installed bootcamp and started using FL again, never noticed any difference

 

This is why i try many daw before i find a good one, for me is Cubase 8 & LogicPro X, i think the best way to use FL and Logic is for take the good work flow of FL to creating and editing and after that you Export all your tracks with maximum Resampling (512 Points Sync) and finalize your mix & master on LogicPro .

 

Last edited: Nov 20, 2015