Then why are you answering to someone who's making tables to use in the piano roll?

I've already written at least two times what the reason is and no, it doesn't apply to piano roll... and no, there's no reason for us to keep using it nowadays, it's just a matter of tradition and backwards compatibility.

Music as in "written music" as rules, grammar and all that. Music as in "music" as none of that.


I wonder if piano roll dudes also go to composers forums and tell them "f$#k Sibelius, key signatures and all that crap, just use the piano roll".


It seems absurd to me that people answer a question to impose their views instead of helping. Piano roll and the option to choose sharps/flats is old news already, forcing people into staff rules as if they were some universal benefit is a bit ridiculous.

 

If you put F# where it "should" be Gb, your DAW will collapse and melt your CPU. If your plugin or DAW only allows sharps or flats, all your music will suck like a black hole.

Remember, you were warned!!

 

Yes, you haven't got it and it shows but you keep that agressive posture for whatever reason...

Anyways, I've explained it and gave examples. Maybe you should research a bit by yourself.

Analysis should be done with numbers, letters don't mean crap. The same way you use roman numerals for chord degrees, everything else is also related to numbers.

 

because the title of the thread is how to memorize the interval chart like a multiplication table, and i supidly thought he wasn t so dumb to do everything wrong and he actually wanted help on how to learn intervals,i was wrong

well, sorry wolfgang amadeus, maybe there s no reason for u,everyone who is interested in actual music will disagree,even if u r focused on synth shit u have to know enharmony since frequencies are intervals

yes, it does,because your "music as in music" wouldn t exist if someone hadn t made some rules,it would just be random sounds

if someone does that, he s a silly cunt

yeah, so don t even bother to learn to read and write because computers and phones have vocl recognition[/QUOTE]

 

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u can use what u want, the moment u use numbers they r exactly like letters or names, u can call a not 1, c or james, it makes no difference

 

Why don't you go study the reason for the sharps/flats? That would make things much easier.

It seems that my explanations aren't enough, you just read them diagonally and immediately start thinking of arguing without even questioning your own answers.

Mozart is your contemporary? Don't think so... maybe you should read what I actually wrote.


People who force staff rules into piano roll are just as silly.

 

That's exactly the point.

If you're stuck with correct letters and all that crap and you want to write all the major scales you'll have to pay attention to key signature and write 7 letters 12 times. If you think as numbers you'll write 7 numbers ONCE, because it's a transposable formula...which is the only thing that really matters.

 

And for f@cks sake, anykind of notation (piano roll, traditional, pre-historic, avant garde, guitar tab, etc) is just what the name says, NOTATION. It is not the object that it is trying to represent (music) so don't mix up the rules of a notation system with music.

 

no, u don t write 7 letters 12 times,u write seven letters with sharps and flat,or if u wanna make it very complete u also wote double sharp and double flats.If u write 7 numbers ONCE what do u do,u call 3 plus 5 a major second?

 

unfortunately for u the wored notation derives from the word note,so yes, notation represents notes,the fact that ypur score sheet doesn t sing them doesn t deprive them of the fact that they r there to show u the music.If u look at a written melody and don t know how it plays the fault is yours, not of the notes

 

Considering C a different letter than C#, yes, you'll have to write 7 letters 12 times because there will be 12 different combinations.

Looks like you really never heard of how the numbers work and yet you still are focused on spitting your ignorance instead of learning something. 7 numbers are the formula and can be applied to any root.

R 2 3 4 5 6 7 - a major scale

R 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 - a minor scale

If you want to learn and ask questions, I'll help. If you just want to show us how you already know everything there is to know, then this conversation has ended.

 

And does that go against anything of what you quoted from me? looool

You keep forcing staff/sheet as if THAT is music but it isn't. You're still mixing up notation methods with the actual music and you seem pretty attached to that.

 

again,if u don t give a namit to every semitone in the octave,giving them a name,or ulll have some scenarios like maj 3 and min 6 is a dim. fourth,how is that simpler than knowing that ,given a key , the third and the sixth degree called by their proper name consitute a certain interval?
U use numbers to show how intervals work in general,but eventuallly u have to practice to recognize them using their names,or do u think that just because someone knows the distans between two numbers ,they ll be able to tell on the fly that a double sharp G and D are a double diminished fifth?

 

now u border stupidity:written music represents sounding music,if on a fisrt line of a s stave with the treble key u write a note, that note is an E, E is a note,notes represent the music that has to be played, hence notes are music

 

U went completely out of topic, he wanted to know how to memorize intervals, he wrote a table that is completely stupid for all the reasons we mentioned before, then u came out of the blue saying that enharmonic intervals sound the same,a if i didn t know it, but the fact is still another,and u and him don t want to fucking get it: it doesnt mean a fuck if they sound the same, biot names must be learned of he wants to learn them seriously, which i doubt,after the shitty girl band music he showed us two days ago.If that s his goal there s not even need to study intervals, just leanr a few chords on the keybpard and good luck

 

Don't want to hijack this threat, but it already is happening.
Without going in to much detail (I'm not going to grasp this info in the near future anyway)

the conventional way of presenting in a pianoroll disqualify s us from using enharmonic associations?

 

no, maybe for kouros yes

 

Are you guys even thinking before you say stuff? A piano roll is a chromatic representation, how do you expect to have enharmonic associations/restrictions?

Is it so hard to understand that music isn't notation and that traditional/classical notation IS NOT the only way to represent music? Why don't you stop posting stupid questions (which you think are very smart...) and go read some music history? It will save you further embarassment.

 

The bias towards music notation being music itself is really high on this one.

Sentences like that one only show that you don't really understand what you're talking about. Intervals are NOT the notation. You can have no notation and still have intervals, the other way around is impossible.

There are no proper this or that regarding intervals, intervals are distances. NOTATION has proper ways of doing things. Godammnit, thick crowd here. lol

 

I don't feel embarrassed, after all this is forum to help people that are not in the known.
I wanted to derivate some useful information from your rant.

So how is this meant? I don't want you to rip out your hair
but that is exactly what I do....

The way I perceive it (here again I'm going to make a fool out of myself)
A♯ and B♭are threaten as the same pitch, as an consequence of equal temperament.

so I'm way off, or plain stupid, but then I need more then the 12 keys to successfully play a major third in it's ideal pitch value without getting in tweaking cents

 

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