What the hell? Catalyst! Wow man, I expected more from you. I guess it is for anybody to trip when they run too fast. I still think you are a smart guy based on numerous post made here and Audioz. But bruh, you run too fast to misjudge. And that is exactly what everybody else on this thread running fast to criticize a whole Genre where an article is naming a small number of people its claiming to know who did work. Honestly a bunch of folks are quick to take a shot at EDM just to look cute. That's all!.

Anyway to explain why I say you ran too fast on this one is to quote you: "What I meant about Rap is that 50 cent never produced a thing. Biggie never produced a thing. Etc. They have someone else do it. I've never heard of Front 242, Front Line Assembly, Dead When I Found Her or Velvet Acid Christ having someone ghost produce their own music." Right there, the inclusion of "ghost produce" makes no sense. A ghost production is when an artist hide, silence or outright sign papers with a producer to not let it be known that they've worked on a specific track or project. In that case naming Biggie and 50 Cent is not even close. Biggie alone should not even been named in such a debate since his history in the music business was wide open with whom he worked; from the Hitmen to DJ Premier to Easy Mo Bee to Lord Finesse and so on... Literally there isn't a track that B.I.G did where the producer wasn't given credit or known already in the rap game; that's unheard of. If a producer is given credit, it is NOT "ghost production", it's an ARTIST/PRODUCER COLLABORATION. There are formal contract in the industry for such collaboration dating back to the 50's. Heck! U2, Nine Inch Nails, Red Hot Chili Peppers, AC/DC, Mariah Carey and hundreds of bands and singers have such collaboration going on every single one of their albums; I mean we could keep naming names for days man. Nothing new here!

To say that Hip-Hop is "ghost produce" is to say that because Rick Rubin produced Run D.M.C, their music was "ghost produce". However, the same Rick Rubin produced Sheryl Crow and Slipknot but their music is not? Both production are given credits on paper, none is a hidden secret. Come on bro?

Yes, for every 40 artists, singers, rappers (or superstar DJ for this matter) who went through the right way, there will be another 10 taking shortcuts, and that I agree. However, to pile up a whole genre into a bucket and say hey they all do it, when it is outright false it's when clear rational thought are not being applied. Heck, that same list in the article could be compiled for any Genre. In each Genre a group of ghost producers DO exist in almost all.

Also with such a generalization, all of a sudden singers are no longer in the picture as JUST what they are to be: Singers? Just as Rappers are just what they supposed to be: Rappers?
Mariah Carey has a ton of singing credits but she couldn't do it without a band and the boat load of producers who stood by her day in and day out without sleep helping her crafting an album. That's a staple of the work flow in the biz all the way back to Rock'n'Roll, Motown, Disco...shoop, that even exist for international type of music such as Ska, Reggae, Merengue and the list goes on.

I'll reiterate: Ghost Production is when the producer credit is hidden. However, as a whole, the music industry has for decades a system and valid form of musicians/singers/rappers/producers collaboration. Those two forms, one legit and one a sham shall not be lumped together.

 

Funny, how people react.. Like: 'No, that's the other music style, I only listen to real artists'
Ghost Producing & writing is something of all ages, and session musicians have been on the payroll of record companies and producers for a long time. They're the real but unsung heroes of many, many songs.
Remember Bobbye Hall, percussionist with over 20 top 10 hits? Indeed, never heard of her. Until you say Pink Floyd, Quincy Jones, Diana Ross, Marvin Gaye, etc etc.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbye_Hall

The documentary 'Sample This' is a nice film around that subject. The trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDw4MM_W0e8

 

I'm not saying that it doesn't ever happen but there are genres where it's a lot more likely. It just seems egotistical to put your name on something when you haven't written any of the music. I don't care if it's The Beatles or 50 cent, this is mainly a problem in pop mainstream crap where it's all about the flash. I've never read a story about that in my genre so either they keep a tight lid on this secret info or it's not that common. And again I would eat my hat if it turned out that Front Line Assembly are having someone else make their music that they haven't credited. Prove me wrong.

EDM Ghost Producers

Nicky Romero made an important distinction in an article that I would align with:

Rap Ghost Producers - Make sure to check out that 2nd link.



From another story on the same page:

Industrial Ghost Producers

 

I don't see the "ghost production" link from your story. The question is simple: DID or DIDN'T you get your production credit fully when the song was released (if the song was ever released)? Yes or NO? Now if your story is that a few months after that session, you heard the track on the radio or somewhere, checked the credit and didn't see your name then you can slam them.
However, to the defense of those "2 rap gentlemen" that I don't even know, it's outright easy to say NO they don't have to know what is the "master fader". After all, they are "2 rap gentlemen" which by all definition of the term they RAP. It would be the same question given to Mary J. Blige as a singer who came to the studio simply to sing on a track and not to sit by you and help you work on your SSL board.
Yeah quite a few rappers can produced...the Timbos, The Yeezys and the Dres. Yeah, we get that!. However it is not mandatory nowhere in any book that a "rapper" needs to know a SSL board.
I mean, I'll agree with you that yeah, if more rappers and singers knew it then it would be better (for them). Of course sure, I agree with that. But hey if they don't, no fuss though, your job and your skills are still yours bro!

 

Why prove you wrong? Can't you just accept that this happens and quite possibly even in your genre of love, even if not by the artists you like or mentioned? Of course people are going to keep a tight lid on things especially if they are getting gigs off the back it, they are hardly going to shout and scream about it.. I just find it funny how you're quick to bash and hate with silly made up figures on genres you dislike yet get so defensive and closed minded on your favourite scene.

 

I never said that it doesn't happen. I said that it's a lot less likely to happen. And I also made the distinction of buying premade music while having no musicality.

 

I tried to keep that little snippet i wrote below the main story very very simple.

You won't see a link about my story because those 2 gentlemen never used the recording or mixing facility they simply paid for a 1 day recording session in their words "just to take photos and to use those photos on their CD."

Anyone buying the CD would assume by the pictures they recorded or mixed etc (other that sit in the chair) at the studio.

Simple point i was conveying was some people like to pretend and sell that same pretentiousness to the unsuspecting buyer.

Pretentious - adjective

1. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance, especially when exaggerated or undeserved:
2. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.
3. full of pretense or pretension; having no factual basis; false.



Where did they record their stuff? i don't know.


I hope that satisfies your curiosity.

Cheers

 

“The music business is a cruel and shallow money
trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and
pimps run free, and good men die like dogs.
There's also a negative side.”

― Hunter S. Thompson

 

I believe some of you guys mix the terms co-producer and ghostproducer up.