Hi there,

I wonder how could i send Pitch Bend to a VST instrument, according to the Key that is pressed?

The value needs to be different on each key/notenumber.

I am asking because i have tried FLStudio KeyboardController ( it basically works ), but the FL is honestly way too buggy to work with and i ve created a patch in Bidule using the PizMIDI to send different PitchBend Value for each key, but it does not provide consistent results.

Thank you in advance, if you can help me get forward with tuning some of the instruments.

Cheers,

 

that sounds kinda far fetched, why would you want to? one can simply draw a pitchbend, record it and turn knobs with your mouse...

maybe you are looking for something different, many vsts have keyfollow/glide which makes it a pitchbend....

But hey I'm drunk

 

If your instruments are out of tune, tune the individual samples or use another instrument.

 

Do you intend to play monophonic or polyphonic?
Also, what exactly is inconsistent with the Bidule/PizMIDI combination?

 

Yeah, this is for something different, but thank you for considering sharing

 

I intend this only for Monophonic.

This is to retune instruments that do not have Scala support in them.

The Bidule & PizMIDI sends inconsistent Data ( pressing a D key for example, will not send the same pitchbend for all notes )

Also the notes seem like they are out of tune in general

 

Years ago, i tried everything to create monophonic microtuning for non-Scala/TUN synths.
Nothing worked, so you'd better forget it and use a Scala/TUN synth

There are inerrant limitations to any so-called "solutions" :
-monophonic only, because pitch bend is not polyphonic
-troubles related to "note on/off" MIDI signal. When you release the note, a "note off" is sent. BUT at the same time, pitch bend need to be reset to 0 too, to handle next "note on" with another pitch. At the end, it is a total mess if you play more than one note per second. Never found any solution on my side, being Bidule, VSTs, Reaktor... All breaks at the end. Too many time lost.

Use a free/paid Scala/TUN synth is my solution, you will loose less time changing synths than trying all non working solutions
It will works at oscillator level, be polyphonic, no troubles.

Here are lists:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=366398

Alphakanal Automat
BeepStreet Sunrizer
Big Tick Angelina, Rainbow and Rhino softsynths
Bitheadz Unity softsynth
Cakewalk Dimension Pro
Cakewalk Rapture
Cakewalk Z3ta+ softsynth
Camel Audio Alchemy and Cameleon5000 softsynths
Celemony Melodyne 2
ChucK
crusherX-Mac!
DashSignature EVE one (not two)
Devine Machine OTR88
E-mu Morpheus
E-mu Proteus series
Ensoniq EPS/EPS16/ASR10
Ensoniq TS-10/TS-12
Fluidsynth (iiwusynth) software synthesizer
HERCs series, Abakos Pro softsynths
H-Pi Instruments microsynth and Xentone
Image-Line Harmor
Kemper Digital Virus
Korg M1, M1R octave tuning dump
Korg X5DR octave tuning dump
Korg OASYS PCI soundcard (and softsynths supporting its .tun tuning textfile)
LinPlug Albino 2, Alpha 2, CronoX, MorphoX, Octopus, Organ 3, SaxLab and Spectral softsynths
Manytone ManyStation, ManyGuitar, ManyOne softsynths
Marion MSR-2
Mark Henning AnaMark softsynth
Max/MSP
Max Magic Microtuner for Max/MSP and Pluggo softsynths
MIDI Tuning Standard (both bulk tuning dump and single-note tuning change, 3 byte), supported in Timidity and Audio Compositor, E-mu: Proteus 3, UltraProteus, Audity/Proteus 1000 and 2000 series, Virtuoso 2000, Proteus FX, Orbit, Planet Phatt, B3, Carnaval, Ensoniq: ASR-X, MR Rack, MR-61, MR-76, ZR-76, Turtle Beach: Multisound, Monterey, Maui, Tropez, Rio
MIDI Tuning Standard 2-byte octave tuning dump
MIDI Tuning Standard 1-byte octave tuning dump
MIDI to CSound
Modartt Pianoteq 4
MOTU Ethno 2 and Digital Performer
Mutagene Mukoco, Macomate 88
Omringen Oblivion
OpenMPT ModPlug Tracker
Native Instruments Absynth 2 (via .gly file)
Native Instruments FM7 and Pro-52/Pro-53
Native Instruments Kontakt 2 (via script file)
Native Instruments Reaktor (via semitones file, frequency file or NTF file)
Plaka Physical Modeling softsynth
Pure Data
Robin Schmidt's Straightliner softsynth
Roland GS & JV/XP families
Roland Fantom-X6/X7/X8
Roland V-Synth Version 2.0
Roland Virtual Sound Canvas, SC-8850
Smart Electronix Foorius
Spectrasonics Omnisphere softsynth
Synapse Audio Orion Pro softsynth
Synthesis Technology MOTM-650
Synthogy Ivory
Timidity and Audio Compositor MIDI to audio renderers
Tobybear Helios softsynth and MicroTuner VST plugin
U-he Zebra, ACE and DIVA
VAZ Plus, 2001 and Modular softsynths VirSyn Cube, Cantor, Poseidon and TERA 2 softsynths
Wusik Station, Wusik 8000 and Ravernator
Xponaut Voice Tweaker
Yamaha DX7II/TX802
Yamaha SY77/TG77/SY99/VL-1/VL-7
Yamaha TX81Z/DX11/DX27/DX100/V50 (both octave and full keyboard bulk data)
Yamaha XG family
Yamaha VL70m
Wallander Instruments WIVI Standard and Professional
WayOutWare TimewARP 2600
Wusik Wusikstation v2
Xen-Arts IVOR, XenFont and Xenharmonic FMTS
Xenharmonic FMTS VSTi
Xponaut Voice Tweaker
Zebra 2.0 softsynth

 

Just an idea:
Wouldn't AutoTune software be able to do this?
Of course, the AT SW would require microtuning support built-in, like AutoTune itself, AFAIK.

Another option could be putting a quality pitch shifter (QQ PitchWheel or the likes) and control the pitch shift amount by Midi CC, which in turn has been mapped to a midi notes translation table and is triggered from the original MIDI track.

BTW, it sounds like your Bidule+PizMIDI setup has errors in it, maybe it does not calculate octave shifts correctly?

Of course, Pipo is absolutely right if all you want is a micro-tuned synth, and indeed many synths are replaceable by others *yes*

 

Thank you for the suggestions

 

Interesting topic *yes* My knowledge doesn't run that deep in this area so could be talking rubbish lol!

No immediate solutions came to my mind. I suppose Reaktor would be possibly the closest thing you could use as a plugin but like Pipotron3000 pointed out there lots of problems with this. You could of course do it purely on a script level in Kontakt but that isn't going to solve your problem.

Like pointed out Pitch Bend is specified by specific absolute value. This is valid for everything on the channel untill a new value is specified. I suppose the nearest thing I could think of would be Complete pitch bend to specify or cover entire range with triggered values. Of course CC different. Another option would maybe consider using portamento in legato mode as that similar to pitch bend.

Would'nt it just simply be possible not use multiple controllers on different channels with specified scale range set via cc 6 as to how many intervals etc u wish to bend?

Interesting topic

 

Channel split can be a good solution.
Mackie Control use this with faders sending a single pitch on different MIDI channels, instead of CC
It was their way to increase precision without NRPN.

 

I am asking this to tune a few Synths that do not have direct equivalents... Such as ABL2, LuSH-101 and Massive ( for MonoPhonic BassLeads )

Do you mean sending a consistent pitchbend on each channel, and then activating that channel when a certain note is pressed ( and then combine all of the signals to one destination to tune according to the note that was pressed )?

Or did i get it wrong? Could you simplify a bit what you mean if i could understand?

 

This is actually ingenious Clandestine...

I could basically trigger a MIDI part that has the desired Pitch Bend it, according to a specific MIDI Note. Then combine both the Note Data and the ( latest sent ) Pitch Bend information to one channel.

Thank you....

Did i understand correctly?

 

Like I mentioned I am no expert by any means in this area. Pipotron3000 can probably advise better than myself.

1.)The main problems as highlighted PB is specified by a current absolute value This value is valid for everything on that Channel till a new value is specified. Therefore using one controller is going to be a problem.

2.) Pitchbend normally specified by CC6 on can be then set to the range u wish to bend up and down etc in octaves via a different value. However as Pipotron pointed out Pitch Bend Change is not Control Change (CC).

Granularity of PB is in itself a MIDI Channel. As a result every event will set new value. Therefore my way of thinking is that one channel is out the window.

You can however specify upto say 16 different PB on different channels.

Therefore one possible solution as highlighted would be to split your channels, specify your PB for each channel and use multiple controllers to implement the PB on each midi channel.

I don't know 100% if this would work & could be talking rubbish lol but is just an idea that came to mind as there seem to be few solutions to this complex problem.